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As a transgendered person, I would like to point out that
transgenderism/transsexuality is not a sexual fetish and is not the same as crossdressing. Crossdressing is typically done by heterosexual men who get off on it as a sexual fetish. These men don't have gender identity issues, it's just a turn-on.

I don't know Larry W, but from the descriptions I think people are confusing crossdressing with transsexuality. Transsexuality has nothing to do with sexual 'deviance' or leather and latex. A trans person is the same as any other male or female person - we *might* look different but most of the time you wouldn't even be able to tell.

Basically I found the speculation about Larry on your site to be misinformed and rather offensive. Expecially the poll. Speculate as you must, but at least educate yourself beforehand - otherwise it just looks bad.

1) If there were rumors that George Michael is straight I would make a poll (if this was a George Michael site).

2) I know the difference between transgender and cross-dresser, but "transsexual" is the word they used in the news articles.

3) I cannot see anything that I have written that is offensive.

Guest wrote:

Transsexuality has nothing to do with sexual 'deviance' or leather and latex.

But latex has (probably) something to do with Larrie's sexuality. That's why I mention it. This is a Matrix-Explained site.

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A trans person is the same as any other male or female person

And can be homosexual or heterosexual.

Okay.. first off, If God gave you a dick... keep it. If he gave you a twat... keep that. Only a freak would think that God did not create them in a perfect image. We should realize we are obrn as who we are. Our thoughts are what change us as people and unfortunatly, some of us are sick enough to go through with some thoughts (like changing sex, YUCK)

I will never accept somebody who never truly acc[peted themsleves, transexuals are unacceptable because they as people do not understand themsleves fully, yet deform their bodies in an attempt of salvation. Salvation lies within not without, so next time you fell like changing, CUT YOUR INSIDES OUT!

I'm a hetrosexaul female and I love leather and latex, does that make me a freak?
@ You - I hope you're kidding, how very small minded you are....
Live and let live thats what I say... And for the hell of it I might just add that if Larry & half of the population of Planet Earth had some kind of fetish or wanted to have a sex change; tell me what the hell has it got to do with anybody else?
Talk about trying to control and slag-off anything you don't understand...

I hope you're kidding wrote:

Okay.. first off, If God gave you a dick... keep it. If he gave you a twat... keep that. Only a freak would think that God did not create them in a perfect image.

My immediate response (as a post-operative male-female transsexual) was: "If God [sic] didn't give you a brain, guest, you should accept that too!" Your response actually says a great deal about you and your hang-ups than it says anything about transsexuals! Interesting that you are a "guest" only. I'm a member of this forum, and not afraid to identify myself with the viewpoints that I hold.

I hope you're kidding wrote:

We should realize we are obrn as who we are. Our thoughts are what change us as people and unfortunatly, some of us are sick enough to go through with some thoughts (like changing sex, YUCK)

Actually, no, we are not "born as who we are". Rather, we are born, and then develop into who we are over the long process of our lives. What affects that is both external events and pressure, and internal ideas and pressure. Your arguments about "mistakes" and "perfect images" are misinformed and ego-centric. What counts is spiritual and personal development, and a transsexual path (with all its consequences) is just as valid a path as, say, whatever yours is (which i suspect to be some dismal Xian variant).

I hope you're kidding wrote:

I will never accept somebody who never truly accepted themsleves, transexuals are unacceptable because they as people do not understand themsleves fully, yet deform their bodies in an attempt of salvation. Salvation lies within not without, so next time you fell like changing, CUT YOUR INSIDES OUT!

In a recent article for a local magazine Polare (see gendercentre.org.au... for the online version) I defined a wanker as "someone who knows one fact about you, and from that assumes that they know everything", and by using this definition I hereby declare you a wanker.

If you really want to make a point about what you've said, then join as a member and start a new post somewhere else in this forum -- here is not the place for this.

knnknn wrote:

3) I cannot see anything that I have written that is offensive.

Neither can I, and I'm a post-op male-female transsexual myself. It may however be misguided from ignorance rather than an informed opinion. Most people don't know much about transsexuals at all. We form a very small percentage of the general population and as, in most cases, our own identification is not "transsexual" primarily, but rather "woman" (for m->F) and "man" (for f->m), we don't try to stand out in the crowd either.

knnknn wrote:

2) I know the difference between transgender and cross-dresser, but "transsexual" is the word they used in the news articles.

Yes, which I found a bit puzzling myself. That is, the article implied something different from just "cross dresser", and all that from one or two appearances in which he wears make up and has an ear-ring? That says more about the American media than it does about Larry!

Assuming that he does have a mistress who is a dominatrix and he's into that, it would not be unreasonable to speculate that he might have been "told" to appear in public that way, as a form of submission and humiliation. The B&D literature (the stuff that "punters" get off on) abounds with examples where the the main character is placed in such a situation (and secretly enjoys the fact that they "got away with it").

If the only available evidence that Larry's transsexual is the media reports, then it's no evidence at all. Considering all the rumours and speculation surrounding bothe the brothers and their films, I'd say that it's more likely a "plant", a way to entice even more people to see the films in order to unravel the conundrums posed therein. If so, it's a damn clever one!

guest wrote:

Basically I found the speculation about Larry on your site to be misinformed and rather offensive. Expecially the poll. Speculate as you must, but at least educate yourself beforehand - otherwise it just looks bad.

I agree that it's misinformed, guest, but offensive, maybe not. To my way of thinking though what counts is not whether Larry is a "tranny" or not, but whether or not those issues affected the polt and making of the films. If it did, where's the evidence? Do we see any characters who change gender when they're in the MATRIX (an obvious opportunity if they're trans)? No.

Hmmmm, maybe I might start a new topic on this.

I don't care if Larry is even a lamb (or os that the wrong Larry?). If a Being does good, fights evil and protects the innocent, I don't care if they have an inny, an outy; green, brown, black, white, old, young, tall or short. I am not a hippy but theres too much fear and opression in the world.

Be Happy

Mr Ward wrote:

I don't care if they have an inny, an outy

But Larry has a nanny

Who gives a...can't write that, I'll be chucked out...
Anyway, who cares?
What difference does it make if Larry's a tranny?

I hope they are transexual. Because if they are, there's a much greater chance that they're gay. And if they're gay, then they're not taking any of my favorite treats out of the cookie jar.
For that matter, I hope they're vegans, too. Because if they are, that's an extra half dozen cows I can eat per month!
As long as the honorable Wachowski brothers keep making ass-kicking flicks, I'll keep watching them, and continue to write absurd commentary such as this, regardless if they're cross-dressers, switchhitters, rump-rangers or necrophilliacs.

May i firstly say that the very idea of this poll is absurd and demonstrates its creators ill educated nature, gender dyphoria has nothing to do with leather or latex, the letter x or any other of you affermations.

Secondly, aside from my natural objections to having someones religious beliefs rammed down my throat, with regard to "god" giving someone their genetalia, I expect nothing less as chrisians have been killing people for centuries for disagreeing, it seems a veriatable improvement, but that asides.

A transgendered person is the way they are not out of choice, but usually because a hormonal change during the development of the child in the womb causes a child developing as one gender, to alter to developing as the other, unfortunatly the brain develops first, which means no end to pain and confusion, especially around puberty. The only silver lining to this is it tend to add about 30 points to the IQ of the individual, but this doesn't make up for the personal torment of growing up in the wrong body, which leads many to suicide.

I think this is an utterly absurd subject to bring up on a site like this, especially in such a childish and insensitive manner.

So in final response the the religious bigot's earlier posting, if "god" was dishing out the genitalia, then "god" also first dished out the brain, and I belive according to your stupid religeon the soul, before the lump of flesh betwwen the legs grew. And er by the way, female is the base genetic stock of the human species, which is modified with a few chromosomes to make a male, all humans consist of women and 'modified women' (men).

No I am not in any way transgendered myself, I simply belief you should get your facts straight before you shoot your mouth off, and perhaps find some Fascist forums that will welcome your opinions.

Okay, let's take a look at it like a moral issue...

You're on an island where cannibalism is socially acceptable and Larry's for tonight's dinner, do you suddenly become a vegetarian?

Yeah, yeah, yeah... its like the idea of "if everyone's jumping of a bridge would you too?" But, also within this idea comes the concept of "do you change what you are?"

I agree with the FACT that GOD made you what you are... BUT, you are given a choice. Hmmm, a choice? That sounds familiar. So do you choose to change who/what you are, or do you 'go with the flow'?

In truth, reality, or however you look at it, any type of cosmetic surgery is JUST another form of self-mutilation! But is this acceptable? It must be, or everyone else is simply just jumping off the bridge.

Eh.... whatever.


In conclusion, you are what you are. If you choose to be different from what you are THEN... that's something that you must FORCE others to accept. Good luck! Especially on an island with cannibals...

By the way,
"I'm a transgender/transsexual... blah blah blah" BULL SH*T!
Yours is more than likely glued on, you don't know what your talking about and/or just want to stir things up. Thus, your argument is only as plastic as your nose!

By the way, Larry? He's not a transsexual... He's gay. GAY! GAY! GAY!

Zankoku wrote:

By the way, Larry? He's not a transsexual... He's gay. GAY! GAY! GAY!

I think that's much more likely, though "Queer" would probably be a more apt description!

Capatising the words 'fact' and 'god' do not add any credence to any point you have, which it seems you have very little, it does in fact affirm my original supposition regarding religious bigotry.
It may seem a little ironic that in the name of a god much vaunted as representing compassion and understanding, people are willing to spread such hatred, but then this brings us back to the natural roots of this religion.

Did you in fact simply not read my previous post, in which I explained how the gender of an individual may change through development in the womb, causing a person to be born with a brain not syncronised in gender with the body, being ignorant does not add any credence to you 'poin' either.

Yes on the 'cannible island' scenario, assuming i myself wasn't eaten, I would choose the vegitarian option, as I would rather live and die by my personal morals, then 'go with the flow', if the flow seems wrong.

And to bring this full circle back with a matrix quote, as a message for you religion, "you time is almost up".

my question is : what does it matter if he is or isn't?


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I hope you're kidding wrote:

Okay.. first off, If God gave you a dick... keep it. If he gave you a twat... keep that. Only a freak would think that God did not create them in a perfect image. We should realize we are obrn as who we are. Our thoughts are what change us as people and unfortunatly, some of us are sick enough to go through with some thoughts (like changing sex, YUCK) I will never accept somebody who never truly acc[peted themsleves, transexuals are unacceptable because they as people do not understand themsleves fully, yet deform their bodies in an attempt of salvation. Salvation lies within not without, so next time you fell like changing, CUT YOUR INSIDES OUT!

Truly the words of God *rolls eyes*

if he is so what. I will still enjoy his movies!

I hope you’re kidding wrote:

“Larry a freak? How?

“Okay…first off, If God gave you a dick…keep it. If he gave you a twat…keep that. Only a freak would think that God did not create them in a perfect image. We should realize we are obrn as who we are. Our thoughts are what change us as people and unfortunatly, some of us are sick enough to go through with some thoughts (like changing sex, YUCK)

“I will never accept somebody who never truly acc[peted themsleves, transexuals are unacceptable because they as people do not understand themsleves fully, yet deform their bodies in an attempt of salvation. Salvation lies within not without, so next time you fell like changing, CUT YOUR INSIDES OUT!”

You’re disgusting. Your opinions are uninformed and badly expressed.

I take it that you never bathe or get your hair cut or wear clothes, since that would be altering the perfect image in which God created you.

And of course, God never creates transsexuals, does he? After all, He is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-present, so therefore it is impossible for a transsexual to be created without his permission, it is impossible for a transsexual to be created without his knowledge, and it is impossible for a transsexual to be created in a place that is beyond his power to control or observe. Therefore all transsexuals are created by God, in His image, and you’ve just insulted Him.

Mr Ward wrote:

I don’t care if Larry is even a lamb (or is that the wrong Larry?). If a Being does good, fights evil and protects the innocent, I don’t care if they have an inny, an outy; green, brown, black, white, old, young, tall or short. I am not a hippy but there’s too much fear and opression in the world.

I know you meant this in a nice way, but as for who cares, I care. As a transwoman and only casual fan of the Matrix films, this exponentially increases my interest in at least one of the Wachowskis.

TheEigenValue wrote:

I hope they are transexual. Because if they are, there’s a much greater chance that they’re gay. And if they’re gay, then they’re not taking any of my favorite treats out of the cookie jar.

I realize you’re being facetious, but I have to warn you anyway: most cross-dressers are heterosexual males, and actual transsexuals are often bisexual or lesbian (relative to their destination gender, that is).

But yes, less competition.

I don’t think the poll itself is inherently insensitive. “Is Larry Wachowski transsexual?” is just a question. It’s only insulting if you consider being a transsexual to be a bad thing.

Some of the *responses* have been transphobic, but that does not seem to me to be the fault of the thread’s original poster.

Zankoku wrote:

Okay, let's take a look at it like a moral issue... You're on an island where cannibalism is socially acceptable and Larry's for tonight's dinner, do you suddenly become a vegetarian? Yeah, yeah, yeah... its like the idea of "if everyone's jumping of a bridge would you too?" But, also within this idea comes the concept of "do you change what you are?" I agree with the FACT that GOD made you what you are... BUT, you are given a choice. Hmmm, a choice? That sounds familiar. So do you choose to change who/what you are, or do you 'go with the flow'?

Your analogy isn’t clear.

If your personal moral code says that transsexuals are bad, then yes, changing your mind to be more politically correct would cost you your integrity.

But by the same token, in a world that says that transsexuals are bad, for a transsexual to *not* be transsexual so as to fit in would cost her *her* integrity.

So, actually, we’re agreeing.

If all the transphobes in the world jumped off a bridge…well, actually, that would be pretty cool.

Well people seem to be ignoring this, who actually believes the article? I for one don't believe Larry is a transexual and if he is, that's his business. Arguing that it's wrong to become transgender is biast and fairly misunderstanding.