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This is a follow-on from ...

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Neo has been liberated from the falsity of the mind, and he now has conscious awareness of his physical reality ...

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... (note the round, blue shapes now in the matrix), but he has not yet removed every attachment left over from the past. These now come back to trouble him ...

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... just as he is contemplating the destruction his spiritual path will have on him; ...

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... he fears losing all his personal qualities – positive as well as negative. He is aware now of the duality of his existence – as both the doer (in Zion), and passive experiencer (matrix). Reloaded is about successively deeper experiences with these two energies – bringing them into balance and finding their source.

Through intense inner concentration, the person becomes conscious of the four successively higher layers of the mind:

Mon - mind, the direct perception from the senses
Buddhi - intelligence, the analysis of that information into abstract concepts
Ahankara - ego, the self-identification with those concepts
Chitta - feeling, the inner response to that identification, judging whether it’s pleasurable or repulsive

To begin with, he tries to balance his wish for liberation, with his love for independent existence ...

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His only way is to remain steadfast in his effort ...

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... and to trust that it will work out in the end ...

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As he withdraws his senses into himself, his awareness shifts to his self, and his desire for liberation from all else, seeing the world within himself, and himself in everything ...

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All this self-focus boosts the ego for the moment, and cuts him off from any access to his insight ...

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Mon – The Mind

In order to progress, he must practice detachment through the regulation of the actions of his body and senses. So his focus shifts down into the spine and lower nervous system – back home in his physical body (the Neb going home and slotting back into its landing space – one of the 12 signs of the zodiac).

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Zion is laid out like a human brain and spine ...

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... and the spiral down Zion suggests the human DNA ...

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His self-defenses are all up ...

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... and his willpower encounters his ingrained, ‘locked’ habits, who “care about one thing, stopping that army (spiritual liberation) from destroying this city (physical world of sense-pleasure)” ...

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This is the root of his resistance to letting go of his attachments. A part of him feels enthusiastic about his quest, helping to drive him on ...

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... as he avoids closed, controlled approaches, in favour of the hands-on, practical approach ...

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He maintains his faith in the process, knowing that, in time, his practices will pay off ...

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... but allows his energy to move down, towards the senses ...

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He doesn’t allow himself to lose control, though, but transforms his building sensual energy into austerity, offering up his sense-enjoyment, as a sacrifice (in the Matrix, food represents the tastes –enjoyments– of the senses) ...

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(There is much information in this scene, about Jacob on board the Gnosis – the description of Jacob’s “studiousness and reserved personality” fits the description)
He tends to his physical needs, taking care of his body and performing his duties (one cannot focus only on the mind, while neglecting the body) ...

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He observes the children (creations / results of actions), but they are not his children, but his nephew and neice (he recognises that he is not himself the doer) ...

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He purifies his intentions, controlling his actions (treating his body as a temple) ...

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... giving thanks, respect and honour for his creations and achievements ...

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... and summoning his willpower, ...

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... drawing on his softer, feminine energies ...

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Now he engages in deep, energetic meditation, drawing energy from his lowest spinal chakras (the temple is right at the bottom of Zion; note all the red and orange). In this powerful pranayama meditation, the senses are absorbed into the spinal centres, where the bodily noises (breath, heartbeat, etc.) are overwhelming. One who elevates his consciousness, however, past the gross physical vibrations, combats these low energies with the higher astral sounds in the subtle spinal centers, which (in ascending order of chakras) sound like: the drone of a honey-mad bee, a flute, a harp, a bell and the roar of thunder:

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“That tremendous sound reverberating throughout heaven and earth pierced the heart of the Dhritarashtra (sense-enjoyment) clan.” – Bhagava-Gita 1v19

Male and female energies join ...

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... with male effort lifting up the female energy (shakti), ...

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... bringing the physical, feet-on-the-ground energy up to the crown ...

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... when - in his little death ...

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... the death of his attachments is seen ...

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He is not ready yet to let go completely, but nurtures himself, as in his own personal womb (“Good night, Zion. Sweet dreams.”):

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Feeling at one with the body, self-awareness enters the physical plane ...

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... and he contemplates the meaning of his physical existence, and its connection to the greater goal of life, ...

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... working out logically what he must do with what he understands, while trusting his intuition for the things he doesn’t ...

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His inner guidance returns, and as he withdraws his energy from sense-objects, his desire for liberation intensifies, threatening to put an end to his purposeful practice ...

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... but he’s careful to remind himself that he is in control, and that his desire for liberation is itself an illusion. This spoon doesn’t reflect. The many reflections in the matrix are there to show that the matrix (mind) is just a reflection of reality.

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BUDDHI - Intelligence

He holds no pretences or religiously-held beliefs (now turned into plastic trinkets), and moves undisturbed through the material confusion ...

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He begins to see the connection / balance between the mind and body – you get to know the one only by observing your struggles with the other (“You do not know someone until you fight them”) ...

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This detached observation is possible only from the position of relaxed equilibrium, achieved when energy is withdrawn from the extremities ...

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... opening the door to deeper states of realisation ...

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Conversation with the Oracle

Without picking through every line, the following main points come out of this inner guidance:

1. “I won’t bite you”:

The machines are not actually the enemy, but a friend.

2. Candy

“Why are you here ?”
“Same reason ... I love candy.”
He is ‘here’ because of their taste for the enjoyment of sense-desires.

3. The nature of the Oracle, and the exiles:

The oracle reveals that she belongs to a group of entities from the machine world (source) that do not do “what they’re supposed to”, i.e. have the freedom to act creatively / free from bounds. These are uncomfortable feelings that are out of sync with what is known / accepted. The mind is disturbed by them, and tries to either eliminate or suppress (hide) them.

4. Choice / freewill:

Q: “If I’m following a path to the absolute truth, and that path is set (or to a set destination), then what happens to my individuality / freewill ?”

A: The truth is the truth. We do not actually control events. Your only freewill is to choose to understand them or not.

5. The need to understand and return to the source:

He must rise to higher level of understanding, or else fall back into lower states of unconsciousness. The understanding comes from bringing all external and internal energies inward, to the source (brainstem / third-eye chakra), down from the mind, and up from the body, losing all distinctions. Neo resists, fearing the loss of his existence and its connection to its experience – Trinity (“No. I can’t do that. I won’t”).

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With that, the spectre of death approaches (crows are the harbingers of death):

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Neo struggles to understand all this. He holds onto his ego, and sees himself all around. His liberating consciousness has transformed his locked, fixed views of reality into something more fluid – he sees himself behind all of that reality.

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But what is that ego ? It will not let go of its purpose – to take hold of the conscious awareness and pull everything together into one reality. He is now swallowed in a sea of ego, pulling him down, back into a lost and unconscious state.

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So he applies some discrimination to escape from this stuck state, and go looking deeper for answers – what is behind his thoughts and feelings ?

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With him go both expressiveness – Pingala (the Logos) and defensiveness – Ida (the Vigilant):

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His energy once again ascends the spine, but is now magnetised (script describes their movement through the crowd “like an opposing charge through iron filings”. Also, note the number 12 on the clock – 2 short lines = Ida, Pingala; long hand = Shushumna):

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He tries to understand his desires, experiences and actions completely, ...

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... and remain in full control, ...

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... but also to experience and feel fully those experiences ...

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The tension between these two forces produces (cooks up) the illusion of physical reality, ...

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... which is actually as unreal as a ghost, with subject separate from object (though they are in reality one and the same), ...

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... the illusion passing invisibly underneath the apparently solid physical world ...

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The understanding of this provides the key to deeper experiences ...

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Neo learns to balance these forces ...

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... by applying the sword of discrimination / right action ...

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Consciousness centres in the reticular formation (neural superhighway in the brainstem that connects all parts of the brain), which is the seat of wilful action in the body ...

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By observing the rise of desire, and senses chasing after what seems intriguing, he is able to reverse the flow of energy, away from the senses and back toward its source, ...

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... eliminating the duality, ...

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... and with the experience of higher states of connectedness ...

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... sense-desire is finally eliminated ...

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... and the two energies, doer and observer, are united into one ...

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... resulting in an explosion of red-hot energy, centered on the brainstem ...

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AHANKARA – Ego

All three energies (Ida, Pingala, Shushumna now flow as one (3 objectives, 3 captains, 3 ships). The source is reached by the cessation of all activity, the state of samadhi (disabling the power grid). “Once the door (to the soul) is unprotected, the connection (to the material world) will be severed. But another connection (to the Self) must first be made.” 314 = 3.14 = pi = circle of the spiritual eye.

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Note, however, the negativity of Soren and his crew (material mode of tamas = ignorance). They will be destroyed once the energy reaches its source. Niobe (mode of rajas = passion) will be overrun (pacified).

“All must be done as one (only when all three energies are balanced can the shushumna reach the goal). If one (Neo) fails, all fail.”

Midnight = 12 = 1 central + 2 sides = trinity.

Neo asks Trinity to stay out – severs connection to the outside world. He controls his breath, which ceases in deep meditation.

He (Morpheus, the dreamer) dreams of freedom from limitation and struggle, clinging to an illusion that is about to collapse.

First the negative flow ceases, ...

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... then the positive flow, ...

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... (then overrun by sentinels); life-force kicks in and powers up the senses, ready to break concentration (power grid emergency system). The spine is powered up, like a pole stretching from head to coccyx. At the top is liberation (Smith), at the bottom is attachment (Trinity). Both enter at once.

Smith holds the door to the higher self, until a connection is made to the kundalini ...

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... which explodes in the base, ...

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... then shoots up the spine (65th floor), withdraws from the body (power grid off), allowing direct access to the ego, seated in the 1000-petalled lotus, ...

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... on which is reflected every bit of perceived, illusory reality (the entire body, with its activities and experiences are nothing but images on these tv screens.

The connection to the body (Link) is not broken entirely (he’s not dead), but remains in suspension (Morpheus returns ‘home’) until consciousness returns.

Sitting atop the universe he is able to view it all dispassionately, separate from himself.

So he asks himself “Who are you ?” The question is irrelevant.
So he asks “Why am I here ?”, and traces his life-path to this point. This doesn’t answer his question, as it’s all just a collection of experiences and memories – how can he reconcile an infinite, true purpose with his temporary, illusory life ? How could the latter lead o the former ?

Logically, he sees “only two possible explanations”: either his life is controlled from outside (“no-one told me”), or it’s random (“no-one knows”).

But then his insight reminds him that there is another energy in the equation – his feminine side (Trinity), the object of his activities, which has an unfathomable power of its own, to choose freely whether to respond or withdraw, motivated by itself, and no-one else.

Attempting to understand this by solid logic and analysis doesn’t work (“The first Matrix ... a triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.”). Neither does an uncontrolled, undisciplined approach (“reflect the varying grotesqueries ... again frustrated by failure.”).

The answer comes through marrying the “father” of conscious discipline, with the “mother” of intuition.

The problem, of course, is that intuition, by its very nature, is unstable and sometimes unreliable, sometimes leading to a dead end ...

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When this happens, the entire intuitive process collapses (“return to the source”), return to material existence (“reinsert the prime program”), but with another opportunity to try for perfection (“rebuild Zion”).

Alternatively, continue upward, erasing all material attachment (“extinction of the entire human race”). The ego is empowered by its attachment to sense-objects, but exists above them, and without them (“levels of survival ... prepared to accept”).

His material life thus far (5 predecessors = 5 elements = 5 senses) has gradually elevated him through his connection to others, but now his consciousness has bee raised to a level where the heart is activated – intense love – and he may (possibly) make a different choice (6 = heart number = Tiferet = room 303 -3+0+3- = Christ’s age = 33 -3+3-).

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The choice now is:
- Right (logical) – return to the world of sense-pleasure, with full knowledge – “truly live”
- Left (unknown path) – follow heart – hold on to nothing

For Neo there is no choice – he risks everything, even threatens the ego, and in his intense love, surrenders completely ...

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CHITTA – Feeling

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... all connection to the physical is lost, ...

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... reborn into the subtle body, light and insubstantial, composed of pure love; ...

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... body-consciousness is gone ...

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... and only the feeling remains – which can now contact spirit directly ...

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"Be what you is, not what you ain't; 'cause if you ain't what you is, then you is what you ain't." -Luther Price
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Kalki, that's pretty amazing. While I must admit that quite a bit of it went over my head, I am beginning to really appreciate how much thinking went into these movies--especially the last two. I can't wait to see what you have to say about Revolutions.

By the way, I figured out that the "prime program" is the Path of the One. In computing terms, a prime program (despite the use of the word "prime" which seems to indicate "main" or "chief") is a subroutine that is placed within a larger program. It has a single entry and single exit, which in the case of the Path of the One begins with the selection of 23 individuals to rebuild Zion and ends 100 or so years later when the next One returns to the Source to deposit the code he carries (the collective code of the choices made by the 1% to reject the Matrix). When the One does this, the Path of the One starts all over again.

In MxO, it was revealed that even though the Matrix was rebooted, the prime program (the Path of the One) was NOT reinserted. That is because Neo left the Path of the One (the control measure created by the Architect and the Oracle) when he went through the "wrong" door in the Architect's chamber and chose instead the "Path of Neo," which led to peace between man and machine. On a practical level, the Path of the One also could not be reinserted because the One was no longer around to select 23 individuals to rebuild Zion, which didn't need rebuilding anyway since it wasn't destroyed. What do you think of this assessment?

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Kalki, that's pretty amazing. While I must admit that quite a bit of it went over my head, I am beginning to really appreciate how much thinking went into these movies--especially the last two. I can't wait to see what you have to say about Revolutions.

By the way, I figured out that the "prime program" is the Path of the One. In computing terms, a prime program (despite the use of the word "prime" which seems to indicate "main" or "chief") is a subroutine that is placed within a larger program. It has a single entry and single exit, which in the case of the Path of the One begins with the selection of 23 individuals to rebuild Zion and ends 100 or so years later when the next One returns to the Source to deposit the code he carries (the collective code of the choices made by the 1% to reject the Matrix). When the One does this, the Path of the One starts all over again.

In MxO, it was revealed that even though the Matrix was rebooted, the prime program (the Path of the One) was NOT reinserted. That is because Neo left the Path of the One (the control measure created by the Architect and the Oracle) when he went through the "wrong" door in the Architect's chamber and chose instead the "Path of Neo," which led to peace between man and machine. On a practical level, the Path of the One also could not be reinserted because the One was no longer around to select 23 individuals to rebuild Zion, which didn't need rebuilding anyway since it wasn't destroyed. What do you think of this assessment?


If the "prime program" is the endless cycle of samsara - the up-and-down of material existence - working your way up only to fall back down, then Neo broke that cycle by taking the choice to surrender to his higher purpose, acepting the "death of every human being" (death of all his desires and attachments).

btw, I consider the trilogy to be a self-contained myth, with the rest of it (except Animatrix) just spin-offs. I haven't played MxO, and the idea of the story continuing beyond Revolutions, to me, means keeping the science-fiction story alive, but contradicts the deeper meaning in the myth.

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Kalki wrote:

btw, I consider the trilogy to be a self-contained myth, with the rest of it (except Animatrix) just spin-offs. I haven't played MxO, and the idea of the story continuing beyond Revolutions, to me, means keeping the science-fiction story alive, but contradicts the deeper meaning in the myth.


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Kalki wrote:

btw, I consider the trilogy to be a self-contained myth, with the rest of it (except Animatrix) just spin-offs. I haven't played MxO, and the idea of the story continuing beyond Revolutions, to me, means keeping the science-fiction story alive, but contradicts the deeper meaning in the myth.

I can live with that. To be honest, the most fascinating parts of MxO for me were not so much the continuing storyline that takes place AFTER the trilogy, but the parts that delve into the PAST of the Matrix and give the trilogy even more of a foundation.

I know you haven't posted your Revolutions essay yet, and I'm jumping the gun by asking this question, but what do you see the purpose of Sati being? Before the events of Revolutions, when Ghost asked the Oracle why she allowed the termination code of her original shell to be sold to the Merovingian by Ramakandra, the Oracle replied that she had to.

Oracle wrote:

Because the child is important. I can't tell you why, but I believe that one day the child will change both our world and your world forever.


How does that quote fit into your understanding of the trilogy? How do you believe that Sati will change (or perhaps already has changed) the two worlds forever?

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I'm going to hold most of my comments until you finish the Rev. commentary. However, I have one question..."Do you believe that Zion is subtle manifestation?"

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I know you haven't posted your Revolutions essay yet, and I'm jumping the gun by asking this question, but what do you see the purpose of Sati being? Before the events of Revolutions, when Ghost asked the Oracle why she allowed the termination code of her original shell to be sold to the Merovingian by Ramakandra, the Oracle replied that she had to.

Oracle wrote:

Because the child is important. I can't tell you why, but I believe that one day the child will change both our world and your world forever.


How does that quote fit into your understanding of the trilogy? How do you believe that Sati will change (or perhaps already has changed) the two worlds forever?


I'll be able to say more when I get through the Rev commentary, but if you take it from the understanding that consciousness doesn't evolve - we already have infinite consciousness, we're just keeping ourselves away from it - then that higher, all-powerful awareness is already there, behind the world we see. If we regain that awareness (Sati), then how would that affect our awareness of ourselves (Zion / Matrix) ?

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I'm going to hold most of my comments until you finish the Rev. commentary. However, I have one question..."Do you believe that Zion is subtle manifestation?"


I regard the entire story to be an internal (and therefore subtle) journey, so yes, Zion is subtle. But it's the awareness that expresses itself through the lower nervous system, in other words body-consciousness, or an awareness of "the world out there", as opposed to the matrix, which is "the world in here".

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I regard the entire story to be an internal (and therefore subtle) journey, so yes, Zion is subtle. But it's the awareness that expresses itself through the lower nervous system, in other words body-consciousness, or an awareness of "the world out here", as opposed to the matrix, which is "the world in here".


In your opinion, Zion is the subtle manifestation of what? I'm asking because you said earlier through headings Zion is the mind (the way you describe the mind is actually a description of the physical (by most that I know). However, if the mind (the astral, at best) is considered subtle (that is, through the stratification you offer), then that would lead the matrix to be physical and the Merovingian's world (which you all but skipped) to be non-existent. This, of course, will lead to other problems later. It will be interesting to see how you resolve these issues in the Revs. commentary.

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In your opinion, Zion is the subtle manifestation of what? I'm asking because you said earlier through headings Zion is the mind (the way you describe the mind is actually a description of the physical (by most that I know). However, if the mind (the astral, at best) is considered subtle (that is, through the stratification you offer), then that would lead the matrix to be physical and the Merovingian's world (which you all but skipped) to be non-existent. This, of course, will lead to other problems later. It will be interesting to see how you resolve these issues in the Revs. commentary.


I know ... it's confusing because there aren't very good english words to describe subtle concepts, and I've deliberately avoided using specific terminology, which could place the description in a particular philosophy. And the word "mind" can mean many things.

So what I called "Mon - the Mind" is part of a description from Vedanta of the subtle "layers" behind what we know as the physical world. What we see around us is pure illusion. I observe the energy around me through the senses. Then I'm consciously aware of what it is I'm seeing, hearing, etc. - using Mon, the Mind. Then I think about what I see - link it to other thoughts, evaluate it and judge it - using Buddhi, the Intelligence. Then I take those thoughts personally - is what I saw mine? or yours? did I do it, or did it happen to me ? - using Ahankara, the Ego. Finally, this produces a feeling in me - good or bad, depending on what it is and how I've taken it - using Chitta, or Feeling.

This is how we experience the world when lost in material existence. But that hierarchy actually manifests the other way around - the limitless spirit feels itself to be an individual, then develops an ego, then thinks and then acts.

So you could call the awareness of these two paths, ascending and descending, respectively.

Zion is the body. But it is subtle, and equal to the mind (as described above) - there is no difference between the astral and the physical body. The only way we experience anything in the body, is through the nervous system. The path Neo follows is an inward journey - in the matrix he was living "in his head", believing that the world as he saw it was really real, but then he became aware of deeper states of consciousness, where he could see his "mind", or nervous system, for what it is - a system to manifest and express spirit.

But I am getting ahead of myself a bit - this is explained better in Revolutions.

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I know ... it's confusing because there aren't very good english words to describe subtle concepts, and I've deliberately avoided using specific terminology, which could place the description in a particular philosophy. And the word "mind" can mean many things.

So what I called "Mon - the Mind" is part of a description from Vedanta of the subtle "layers" behind what we know as the physical world. What we see around us is pure illusion. I observe the energy around me through the senses. Then I'm consciously aware of what it is I'm seeing, hearing, etc. - using Mon, the Mind. Then I think about what I see - link it to other thoughts, evaluate it and judge it - using Buddhi, the Intelligence. Then I take those thoughts personally - is what I saw mine? or yours? did I do it, or did it happen to me ? - using Ahankara, the Ego. Finally, this produces a feeling in me - good or bad, depending on what it is and how I've taken it - using Chitta, or Feeling.

This is how we experience the world when lost in material existence. But that hierarchy actually manifests the other way around - the limitless spirit feels itself to be an individual, then develops an ego, then thinks and then acts.

So you could call the awareness of these two paths, ascending and descending, respectively.

Zion is the body. But it is subtle, and equal to the mind (as described above) - there is no difference between the astral and the physical body. The only way we experience anything in the body, is through the nervous system. The path Neo follows is an inward journey - in the matrix he was living "in his head", believing that the world as he saw it was really real, but then he became aware of deeper states of consciousness, where he could see his "mind", or nervous system, for what it is - a system to manifest and express spirit.


It all depends on your focus. If you're focusing on the body that's all you'll see. If you focus on the unmanifest, you'll see more. If you focus on the unmanifest of the unmanifest, you'll see less. Wink

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It all depends on your focus. If you're focusing on the body that's all you'll see. If you focus on the unmanifest, you'll see more. If you focus on the unmanifest of the unmanifest, you'll see less. Wink


Exactly. So what I'm trying to do is follow the focus / consciousness of ... not Neo specifically - but of the viewer, or of the person who's experiences are portrayed in the films. And how that consciousness shifts as he progresses. Neo is just there to provide a focal point for the events that occur, which are the really important things. He is the consciousness, and apart from this, doesn't do much at all, except to say "I don't know" a lot.

And the people and places he visits, to me, represent the quality of his consciousness at that point. That's why I say that Zion, for example, is not the body itself, but the body-consciousness experienced at that point, and therefore the type of 'mentality' that involves. Similarly for the rest of the places he goes.

It's kind-of like a step by step guide to elevating one's consciousness, same as all the old myths, but I guess a little more accessible to us today.

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Exactly. So what I'm trying to do is follow the focus / consciousness of ... not Neo specifically - but of the viewer, or of the person who's experiences are portrayed in the films. And how that consciousness shifts as he progresses. Neo is just there to provide a focal point for the events that occur, which are the really important things. He is the consciousness, and apart from this, doesn't do much at all, except to say "I don't know" a lot.

And the people and places he visits, to me, represent the quality of his consciousness at that point. That's why I say that Zion, for example, is not the body itself, but the body-consciousness experienced at that point, and therefore the type of 'mentality' that involves. Similarly for the rest of the places he goes.


Well, You've done me a favor by writing these things out for me. Anyway, the point is to say that Zion is the body and the body-consciousness is the same thing.

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It's kind-of like a step by step guide to elevating one's consciousness, same as all the old myths, but I guess a little more accessible to us today.


Well, I don't know about all that. Wink

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Does this relate to Zion being "the place Thomas appeared to save...which lead to his initial and subsequent deaths in the first place both in inner and outer worlds."?

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Alot of this makes perfect sense, although I must admit, i do sometimes get the impretion you're trying a bit too hard to fit it into the plot. Nethertheless, a lot of this is definatly inteded in my opinion. For example, the Wachowski's love having their characters representing things on many many levels, and I've always been a slight curious as to why the Architect was always so logical. We know why from the point of view of the story, (Because he is the creator program) but I always though that such a defining characteristic must have allusions to something deeper. God (the most common comparison to the Architect) is hardly 'logical'. So the concept of him representing the Ego, with Neo ignoring him and choosing the illogical path of love fits that bill perfectly.

You mentioned in the first part, that you think that the Matrix Trlogy is representetive of somebody trying to understand himself more by 'journeying through his mind' (so to speak). Assuming that the machine vs human could be seen as his new 'explorative side' versus his old 'repressive side' could this mean that he is doing something that not many people would do? For example, does he see others around him and opt for something 'more' from his reality, and chooses to better understand himself becuase of this?

The reason I ask is that i believe that the choices made by the previous 'ones' oculd be representative (using your anology.) Of these other people, whereas he chooses to defy his ego and carry on down the path he has choses to pursue. In this case, the exploration of the mind. just some thoughts Razz

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Alot of this makes perfect sense, although I must admit, i do sometimes get the impretion you're trying a bit too hard to fit it into the plot. Nethertheless, a lot of this is definatly inteded in my opinion. For example, the Wachowski's love having their characters representing things on many many levels, and I've always been a slight curious as to why the Architect was always so logical. We know why from the point of view of the story, (Because he is the creator program) but I always though that such a defining characteristic must have allusions to something deeper. God (the most common comparison to the Architect) is hardly 'logical'. So the concept of him representing the Ego, with Neo ignoring him and choosing the illogical path of love fits that bill perfectly.


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You mentioned in the first part, that you think that the Matrix Trlogy is representetive of somebody trying to understand himself more by 'journeying through his mind' (so to speak). Assuming that the machine vs human could be seen as his new 'explorative side' versus his old 'repressive side' could this mean that he is doing something that not many people would do? For example, does he see others around him and opt for something 'more' from his reality, and chooses to better understand himself becuase of this?


Yes. Absolutely. Once a person accepts that his experiences mirror himself, he can choose whether to solve his difficulties either on the outside, or inside.

I couldn't say for sure, but I don't think many people get to that point of acceptance, and then even less choose the 'inside' route.

And that's just the beginning of the path ...

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The reason I ask is that i believe that the choices made by the previous 'ones' oculd be representative (using your anology.) Of these other people, whereas he chooses to defy his ego and carry on down the path he has choses to pursue. In this case, the exploration of the mind. just some thoughts Razz


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Does this relate to Zion being "the place Thomas appeared to save...which lead to his initial and subsequent deaths in the first place both in inner and outer worlds."?


Yes, but the focus of this conversation has a lot more to do with Hegel's presence in Matrix interpretation. However, I would contend that to eliminate Hegel would be to eliminate the idea of a matrix. However, it can be done without him.

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intell wrote:

Does this relate to Zion being "the place Thomas appeared to save...which lead to his initial and subsequent deaths in the first place both in inner and outer worlds."?


Yes, but the focus of this conversation has a lot more to do with Hegel's presence in Matrix interpretation. However, I would contend that to eliminate Hegel would be to eliminate the idea of a matrix. However, it can be done without him.

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