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Hello! First post so I don't know if this idea has been mentioned before, but...
I was thinking one day about the timelines of the Matrix, etc, and was wondering if they all fell along the same time peroid. Then I had this idea. What if, inside the original Matrix, tiem ocntinued to flow until man developed AI? At thwich point he would eventually engage in war with them, possibly resulting in the AI (within te Matrix) creating a Matrix, ad infinitum, until finally it gets to Neo and he manages to break the cycle (or perhaps the previous 'ones' broke the cycle as well, but then the cycle continued itself after their demise). In the end of Revolutons, we see the Matrix continuing on at the 'present' (respective to the Matrix), and not being reset to the past, so possibly man continues on to devlop AI and result in the war and development of the Matrix?

I don't understand you

this is what happends if you do drugs kids!

Yeah, of course. If you have nothing better to contribute, don't throw in some crap about "he's on drugs". Anyway, to clarify, the timeline would go something like this:

-In the real world, man creates AI.
-AI becomes self-aware, leading to war with mankind.
-To power themselves, machines develop the Matrix
-Within the Matrix, man eventually develops AI.
-AI within Matrix becomes self aware, starts war with man (within the Matrix)
-AI within Matrix creates a MWAM to power themselves.
-Cycle continues until a "one" comes along, who either prevents the cycle from continuing or simply delays it from continuing.

While this might be a funny idea, I don't remember anything in the movies that really would support that theory. Do you?

According to your theory, at what point of time would a new matrix start? Roman empire? Middle age? 1950?

Well, the theory draws support from the traditional MWAM arguments, but just looks at the diea of MWAM from a different angle. The Matrixes would start whenever the machines decided to start them, as i don't really think that's an increadibly essential part of the theory.

Why would the machines be interested in running MWAMs? For a machine, everything needs a purpose.

Your theory further assumes that history would always develop in the same way...

He didn't say the machines would be interested, he posted it as an open question that he found interesting which anyone could ponder. The big problem, is that A.I. already exists inside the matrix, so if the humans recreate a new A.I. who knows what happens, but the machines in the real world are still in control of everything. But given no outside interference, one could assume that eventually history might repeat itself and matricies would develop within each other just as a mater of course... except that the strain on the first matrix would become very great, and the worlds would probably implode on each other, which is a weird thing to even try to understand. But I liked the post.

I like the idea, but I think that the cycle of 'the one' would stop this, as the matrix would be rebooted before this ever happened.

hexediter wrote:

He didn't say the machines would be interested, he posted it as an open question that he found interesting which anyone could ponder.

Which is what I did. And I think it would raise many questions, which I posted here.

Regarding the story of the triology, there are no reasonable arguments in the movies that would support that.

But it is an interesting theoretical question if you put the movies aside...

You are talking about virtual machines.

Software simulating hardware running on hardware. The problem with this is that the simulation is slow. A simulation in a simulation will be slower.

Personally I don't consider THE MATRIX to be possible because machines running in reality could not simulate reality fast enough to keep up with the realtime nervous systems of millions of human beings. I regard THE MATRIX as being toward the fantasy end of the Science Fiction to Fantasy spectrum in the scientific sense, but it is the intellectual depth of the subject makes it true SF.

psikeyhackr

psikeyhackr wrote:

Personally I don't consider THE MATRIX to be possible because machines running in reality could not simulate reality fast enough to keep up with the realtime nervous systems of millions of human beings.

Many things have been regarded technically impossible but one day became reality. With our current technology there would be no chance to realize a "Matrix". But I assume one day we might have that technology.

But neither you nor me will be witnesses...

Part of our current limitation is c.

The speed of light.

That doesn't change.

psikey

That is what we currently assume... and even if it is true, there might be ways to avoid a confrontation with that fact.

I'll have to check with the Vulcan Science Academy.

stuman77 wrote:

Hello! First post so I don't know if this idea has been mentioned before, but... I was thinking one day about the timelines of the Matrix, etc, and was wondering if they all fell along the same time peroid. Then I had this idea. What if, inside the original Matrix, tiem ocntinued to flow until man developed AI? At thwich point he would eventually engage in war with them, possibly resulting in the AI (within te Matrix) creating a Matrix, ad infinitum, until finally it gets to Neo and he manages to break the cycle (or perhaps the previous 'ones' broke the cycle as well, but then the cycle continued itself after their demise). In the end of Revolutons, we see the Matrix continuing on at the 'present' (respective to the Matrix), and not being reset to the past, so possibly man continues on to devlop AI and result in the war and development of the Matrix?

He just kept talking in one incredibly long, unbroken sentence, moving from topic to topic, not stopping for a second so somebody else could butt in, and it was actualy quite hypnotic.

AgentLink12 wrote:

stuman77 wrote: Hello! First post so I don't know if this idea has been mentioned before, but... I was thinking one day about the timelines of the Matrix, etc, and was wondering if they all fell along the same time peroid. Then I had this idea. What if, inside the original Matrix, tiem ocntinued to flow until man developed AI? At thwich point he would eventually engage in war with them, possibly resulting in the AI (within te Matrix) creating a Matrix, ad infinitum, until finally it gets to Neo and he manages to break the cycle (or perhaps the previous 'ones' broke the cycle as well, but then the cycle continued itself after their demise). In the end of Revolutons, we see the Matrix continuing on at the 'present' (respective to the Matrix), and not being reset to the past, so possibly man continues on to devlop AI and result in the war and development of the Matrix? He just kept talking in one incredibly long, unbroken sentence, moving from topic to topic, not stopping for a second so somebody else could butt in, and it was actualy quite hypnotic.

Wow. Before your post I wasn't quite sure if I was right or wrong. Thank you for using that amazing thought and reasoning to clear that up for me.

There is support for the idea put forward here. Because each of the different agent types (according to MxO) progressively advance through the human timeline. From angels to samurai to FBI agents. That suggests that each time the Matrix "reboots" it continues on further in human history.

If that is true, and as he points out, it is certainly true for this latest "reboot," then it is conceivable that the humans living inside the Matrix would create their own AI and the war would start all over again with-in the Matrix.

If you really want to explore this idea though, you might check out this film...

Dude Stuman77 if your going to try to get us to understand what exactly your saying on this forum then please learn how to freaking type well. instead of diea try idea or ideal it just annoys the bloddy s*i* out of me when people type like that....just had to get that out.

Arus wrote:

Dude Stuman77 if your going to try to get us to understand what exactly your saying on this forum then please learn how to freaking type well. instead of diea try idea or ideal it just annoys the bloddy s*i* out of me when people type like that....just had to get that out.

LMAO

The vulcan has a very good point. This is science fiction and as I have said not everything makes sense. The time line wasn't a necessary enough component to the story for them to fully development it and if it was, it could have made the entire movie moot. Imagine if you will, the concepts discussed in the 2nd renaissance. Machines that can withstand nukes? Nukes give off an emp! Secondly, why would humans be the best hosts of energy, pelanty of other animals would probably be easier to control and give off more bio-electrical energy.
See what I mean though? So if they went on to tell of how exactly the Matrix progressed through history they might run into a dead wall.

This is an interesting idea. It seems reasonably clear that the Merovingian goes by the name "Decius Wadsworth" and is in control of the leading software company (Metacortex - meta "beyond" cortex "brain") which is now (just after M3) part of the leading electronics manufacturer in the world (Ouroboros). If any corporation would be most likely to eventually develop AI (software) and robots (hardware), it would be this company, an ideal combination of the leading software and hardware companies in the world.

Since the Merovingian is in control of these companies, perhaps he would lead the company in a different direction than humanity did in the real world's history, assuming Ouroboros was in fact responsible for producing B166ER (I personally think it was). Or, perhaps he would expedite it in hopes of bringing down the Oracle's choice-based Matrix.

Anyway, if you want to see the full story on Wadsworth, Metacortex and Ouroboros, go to: