»Matrix idea was stolen from a 1989 game.«

Many of you may not know this but the matrix idea was stolen from a game called "Shadowrun". Neo is basically a character in that game called Jake Armitage.

Shadowrun is a futuristic game created by FASA where man and machine are one. The entire computer world in the game is controlled by a system called "The Matrix" (wait it gets better). Hackers no longer hack into computers....they Deck into them by using a link from their brain into the computer. Once inside they have to deal with security...one of the most lethal security systems known in the matrix is a security called Black Ice....AKA Black Agents, and if you are killed while decking into a computer, you are killed in real life. (Note: this game was made in 1989).

The entire matrix story was based off of a shadowrun book called "First Run". They even made a super nintendo game called "Shadowrun". Whats even better is that everyone in shadowrun all wear leather outfits.

I personally think the wachowski brothers are garbage....which is why the sequels to the matrix sucked so badly....they had nothing left to steal from and were forced to come up with a script on their own and as most of you know....it was lacking severly. Notice that since those movies they havent dont sh*t?

Those of you who don't believe this go look up shadowrun or if you can manage to get a copy of the super nintendo game that would be even better.

Feel free to write me regarding this and I will give any of you as much information as possible.


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Kinjo1971 wrote:

Many of you may not know this but the matrix idea was stolen from a game called "Shadowrun". Neo is basically a character in that game called Jake Armitage.

Sounds like the makers of this game have stolen stuff from William Gibsons book Neuromancer. One of the characters in the book is called Armitage.

Kinjo1971 wrote:

The entire computer world in the game is controlled by a system called "The Matrix"

The computer program in Neuromancer is called the Matrix.

Kinjo1971 wrote:

Hackers no longer hack into computers....they Deck into them by using a link from their brain into the computer.

Like in Neuromancer.

Kinjo1971 wrote:

one of the most lethal security systems known in the matrix is a security called Black Ice.

That's strange, there is a security system in Neuromancer called Black Ice.

Kinjo1971 wrote:

and if you are killed while decking into a computer, you are killed in real life.

I guess whoever made the game must have really liked Neuromancer, because it's like that in the book too.

Kinjo1971 wrote:

(Note: this game was made in 1989).

Note: this book was written in 1984.

Kinjo1971 wrote:

Whats even better is that everyone in shadowrun all wear leather outfits.

Oh well that says it all, case closed!

Kinjo1971 wrote:

Notice that since those movies they havent dont sh*t?

Does V for vendetta ring a bell?

Kinjo1971 wrote:

Those of you who don't believe this go look up shadowrun

If you don't believe me read Neuromancer.

And just for fun, here is what Gibson himself thought about the Matrix.

*William Gibson on The Matrix
Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:28 AM. THE MATRIX: FAIR COP

I was, as you can probably imagine, prepared not to like THE MATRIX. A friend finally dragged me to see it in Santa Monica, when I was taping NO MAPS FOR THESE TERRITORIES. I liked it a lot. I even went back to see it a second time in theatrical release, which is unusual for me. I thought it was more like Dick’s work than mine, though more coherent, saner, than I generally take Dick to have been. ..Wtever of my work may be there, it seems to me to have gotten there by exactly the kind of creative cultural osmosis I’ve always depended on myself. If there’s NEUROMANCER in THE MATRIX, there’s THE STARS MY DESTINATION and DHALGREN in NEUROMANCER, and much else besides, down to and including actual bits of embarrassingly undigested gristle. And while I was drawing directly from those originals, and many others, the makers of THE MATRIX were drawing through a pre-existing “cyberpunk” esthetic, which constituted as much of a found object, for them, as “science fiction” did for me. From where they were, they had the added luxury of choosing bits from, say, Billy Idol’s “Neuromancer” as well.

When I began to write NEUROMANCER, there was no “cyberpunk”. THE MATRIX is arguably the ultimate “cyberpunk” artifact. Or will be, if the sequels don’t blow. I hope they don’t, and somehow have a hunch they won’t, but I’m glad I’m not the one who has to worry about it.

The other thing I’m glad of is that a film of NEUROMANCER, whatever else I might want it to be, definitely doesn’t, now, have to be THE MATRIX, or even anything very much like it.*

Ah, Dhalgren Now there is a worthy read for a rainy month!

Don't forget Logan's Run if we're going the book route (note:Logan's Run was originally published in 1966). A guy realizes that he is a prisoner in a system run by a giant super computer and tries to break free with the help of his hottie girlfriend. Very Matrix-y in style (though no cyberspace per say).

CaptPostMod wrote:

Ah, Dhalgren Now there is a worthy read for a rainy month!

Is that a good book?

Found a description of it: Bellona is a city at the dead center of the United States. Something has happened there…. The population has fled. Madmen and criminals wander the streets. Strange portents appear in the cloud-covered sky. And into this disaster zone comes a young man–poet, lover, and adventurer–known only as "the Kid."

I think we now have a pretty good idea as to why the kid in the Matrix is called the kid lol.

Shadowrun is Neuromancer set in a D&D-like futuristic world. Decking is only a portion of the game, no comparison to the Matrix.

These threads are so pointless.

A lot of previous movies and recent movies have something in common with the matrix.

Take the movie called Dreamspace for example.

It is an 80's movie and it involved a man with tele kinetic powers entering peoples dreams to help them fight their nightmares. But after this man got into the process of saving people. He found out that the people who enlisted him to save people, Actually really wanted him to kill them.

It might not sound totally accurate, But there are simalarities there.

It seems that the Matrix borrows from a hell of a lot of sources, but also you should take into account that maybe the movies and games are borrowing from it.

You must take into account that nothing is 100% original

I mean look at television and movies these days. Everything is just morphed into something that is slightly different.
But if there is an original movie, Then the matrix is the one..

And also, Matrix's or Matrices are a part of life. So i would like to concur with saying that The matrix is the perfect name for this movie

Kinjo1971 wrote:

Many of you may not know this but the matrix idea was stolen from a game called "Shadowrun". Neo is basically a character in that game called Jake Armitage. Shadowrun is a futuristic game created by FASA where man and machine are one. The entire computer world in the game is controlled by a system called "The Matrix" (wait it gets better). Hackers no longer hack into computers....they Deck into them by using a link from their brain into the computer. Once inside they have to deal with security...one of the most lethal security systems known in the matrix is a security called Black Ice....AKA Black Agents, and if you are killed while decking into a computer, you are killed in real life. (Note: this game was made in 1989). The entire matrix story was based off of a shadowrun book called "First Run". They even made a super nintendo game called "Shadowrun". Whats even better is that everyone in shadowrun all wear leather outfits. I personally think the wachowski brothers are garbage....which is why the sequels to the matrix sucked so badly....they had nothing left to steal from and were forced to come up with a script on their own and as most of you know....it was lacking severly. Notice that since those movies they havent dont sh*t? Those of you who don't believe this go look up shadowrun or if you can manage to get a copy of the super nintendo game that would be even better. Feel free to write me regarding this and I will give any of you as much information as possible. Stupid email address

The Wachowski Brothers have never made the fact that they were influenced by countless sources any kind of secret.

In fact, they get pissed off when people suggest that their work is entirely original. Unlike Tarantino, who seems to believe that he really is original...

They even titled the score piece playing over the freeway chase in Reloaded after William Gibson's 'Neuromancer' sequel, 'Mona Lisa Overdrive' as an homage.

But every movie is essentially a composite rip-off of other movies, books or games. Even Shadowrun was most probably influenced by the cyberpunk movement of the '80s, which saw the creation of works like Blade Runner and William Gibson's 'Neuromancer' gaining cult status.

What matters, however, is how the project is executed.

It doesn't matter how good the arbitrary concepts within the film are. What matters is how they're put to screen.

All of the movies made by the Wachowskis (that is, Bound, The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded, The Matrix Revolutions and the screenplay of V For Vendetta) are expertly crafted pieces of film.

Their first two movies, and their last screenwriting job, prove beyond doubt that they are more than capable of making extremely solid 'normal narrative' movies.

But Reloaded and Revolutions are two movies on which the Brothers took the kind of risk Ridley Scott took with Blade Runner, or Stanley Kubrick took with 2001. They were movies with huge budgets that took huge risks. They were all critical failures in their time (like Reloaded and Revolutions, critics believed that 2001 and Blade Runner were simply movies that had a lot of style, and little or no substance, instead being "pretentious" and "self-indulgent" works...).