»The Matrix and Judaism, The Final Explanation«

pilgrim31 wrote:

No one will really understand what is going on untill they get into the Bible!

More like people who get into the bible lose their minds eventually and have no idea at all what's going on.

pilgrim31 wrote:

Incidenatlly , the Israelis sufferd about 4000 rockets being fired at them from a terrorist entity that the Lebanese allowed on their soil and they are still in bed with them while the hzbeys rearm for the next attack Lebanon has been hijacked by he hzbollah , Syria and Iran and the UN is a useless tit

Excuse me, but the attacks against Israel is a direct reaction to their terrorist acts. And don't forget that Hizbollah started out as a resistance movement.

pilgrim31 wrote:

Israel fought our war against terroism

No, Israel is a terrorist state, there is no "war on terror."

pilgrim31 wrote:

how may wars do you warn your enemy to get out of town because you are going to bomb his launch sites?

What the fuck ... how does that in any way justify their slaughter of civilains? "Hello, leave your homes now, or you'll die. Oh look at those blown up babies, well, we did warn them!" What about the intentional attack on the red cross, is that ok too?

This was planned way in advance by Bush and Co, the "kidnapping" was just the pretext they needed. What Israel has done to Lebanon now has nothing, in any way shape or form, to do with self defense.

It is pure terrorism.

GhostTrax wrote:

CaptPostMod wrote: you just think a big bunch of Jews are cry babies More like a big fucking bunch of people are cry babies who bitch and whine whenever something negative is said about "the jews", and I say "the jews" because by criticising some jews, you automatically criticise all of them, apparently.

I agree with the capt. this time, no one likes to ge generalised. You can't label it a "jew thing". That's blatantly prejudicial.

pilgrim... wrote:

how may wars do you warn your enemy to get out of town because you are going to bomb his launch sites?

Hurricanes come with warnings too. Still people get hurt. At least hurricanes can't show compassion.

Or, I guess the Lebanese victims didn't want to leave the Starbucks' and Red Lobsters' in time to get the kids from daycare and pack the SUV in time.

Just who are you saying the enemy is.

Not really Intel, you are still in the dark.:
Zec 14:4 That's the Day he'll take his stand on the Mount of Olives, facing Jerusalem from the east. The Mount of Olives will be split right down the middle, from east to west, leaving a wide valley. Half the mountain will shift north, the other half south.


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intell wrote:

A little late, eh Pilgrim? That was fulfilled about 2,300 years ago. Turn the page and keep up. whatisthematrix wrote: I can tell by the posts made in this forum that no one here is at all familiar with the international banking system and the part they have played in revolution and war the last 200 years. You can't tell what we know. It's just that some of us were busy stir-frying the red herrings that the fishing boat captain was so generous to provide. And the international banking system goes back much further than 200 years. whatisthematrix wrote: theforbiddenknowledge.com... then reading Genesis for an overview, that's when I realized God and the architect (the architect is a masonic term for God) share the trait of both wanting to keep you from true knowledge. Each has their fake constructed world for you to be happy in as long as you never seek the truth. If that were true, why put it in the form of a tree, which as such, was subject to mankind and then, put him (them) in the garden where it was? It takes some more thought put in it than that? What are you, a Luciferian, yourself?

Hi Aquin
The law of sowing and reaping has not been revoked in this enslaved world- either individuals or nations.
Love P31

Aquin wrote:

pilgrim31 wrote: He will return to Zion from where He left- the Mt of Olives, Jerusalem Thats why the arabs are so uptight and anti semitism is rampant - we are all fallen and in opposition to God who loved us enough to die for us and redeem our souls Something we could never do since being banished from the garden of Eden and Not to mention the lying devil who hates God and His plans through the Jews. God and Christ will rule the planet from Jerusalem some day when the curse will be revoked i believe when Christ returns, it won't matter who is on that mt. He comes for his redeemed, Jew and Gentile. which is what hurts my heart about the war over there. land is not worth a life. but thats how this world is sometimes. pilgrim31 wrote: Check out Gen 12:3 bless the jews- be blessed curse the Jews- be cursed heavy Christ added to the above: Love God Love People All of the laws of the prophets hang on this, says Christ Check out Matthew 22 and Mark 12 take the above and apply it, do w/ it what you like, but personally its what i believe. i don't care what you are, do, believe, where you come from, etc. i strive for my priorities and points of view to stem from it. cheers, guys

Kozar wrote:

Capt. - Is that B&W photo somehow related to The Skull & Bones thing related to Bush and stuff?

Never got back to answering that question. Yes, Kozar, the photo is of the 1917 initiates of "the Machine" (that's their actual nick-name). The Machine (Theta Nu Epsilon, which when spelled out with Greek letters looks like ONE) is the only official sanctioned "Chapter" of the Skull and Bones. They were originally a presumably exact replica of Skull and Bones, but quickly broke away from the parent society (and are apparently completely harmless today). It's very likely that the outfits the men in that picture are wearing are representative of Skull and Bones ceremonial attire. But that's just a visual scare.

It's the list of members and where they are in government and business that lets you know these guys mean business. Their business is world domination (ONE world under WAR) and business is apparently darn good.

If you want to talk about groups in power, the members of Skull and Bones are the ones I'd keep my eye on. And with them, it's easy to give names. Check out a list of them here en.wikipedia.org... And watch a video from 60 minutes about them here video.yahoo.com...

And here's a quick list of names--

*George Bush (initiated in 1948)

*William H. Taft (Skull & Bones 1878)

*Sen. Jonathan Bingham (D-N.M.).

*Sen. David Boren (D-Okla.)

*Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.)

*Sen. John Heinz (R-Pa.)

*Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.)

Yep, that last one is John Kerry. As in, the other option to Bush. So either way the last election went, another Bonesmen was going to be president. Probably coincidence, but as a coincidence its even more telling than as a conspiracy. These are the guys who hold all the keys to most of the doors. Not the several million Jews, but the 300 some living Bonesmen. The Bonesmen are the ones who can get power, and right now they are the ones who keep it.

This is not just a static event. The enemy is the devil as Pogo so aptly said

Mat 12:30 "This is war, and there is no neutral ground. If you're not on my side, you're the enemy; if you're not helping, you're making things worse.

[quote="intell"]

GhostTrax wrote:

CaptPostMod wrote: you just think a big bunch of Jews are cry babies pilgrim... wrote: how may wars do you warn your enemy to get out of town because you are going to bomb his launch sites? Hurricanes come with warnings too. Still people get hurt. At least hurricanes can't show compassion. Or, I guess the Lebanese victims didn't want to leave the Starbucks' and Red Lobsters' in time to get the kids from daycare and pack the SUV in time. Just who are you saying the enemy is.

That mud kinda flys in the face of this:
Rom 13:1 Be a good citizen. All governments are under God. Insofar as there is peace and order, it's God's order. So live responsibly as a citizen.
Rom 13:2 If you're irresponsible to the state, then you're irresponsible with God, and God will hold you responsible.
Rom 13:3 Duly constituted authorities are only a threat if you're trying to get by with something. Decent citizens should have nothing to fear. Do you want to be on good terms with the government? Be a responsible citizen and you'll get on just fine,
Rom 13:4 the government working to your advantage. But if you're breaking the rules right and left, watch out. The police aren't there just to be admired in their uniforms. God also has an interest in keeping order, and he uses them to do it.
Rom 13:5 That's why you must live responsibly--not just to avoid punishment but also because it's the right way to live.
Rom 13:6 That's also why you pay taxes--so that an orderly way of life can be maintained.

God will call all to account.
P31

CaptPostMod wrote:

Kozar wrote: Capt. - Is that B&W photo somehow related to The Skull & Bones thing related to Bush and stuff? Never got back to answering that question. Yes, Kozar, the photo is of the 1917 initiates of "the Machine" (that's their actual nick-name). The Machine (Theta Nu Epsilon, which when spelled out with Greek letters looks like ONE) is the only official sanctioned "Chapter" of the Skull and Bones. They were originally a presumably exact replica of Skull and Bones, but quickly broke away from the parent society (and are apparently completely harmless today). It's very likely that the outfits the men in that picture are wearing are representative of Skull and Bones ceremonial attire. But that's just a visual scare. It's the list of members and where they are in government and business that lets you know these guys mean business. Their business is world domination (ONE world under WAR) and business is apparently darn good. If you want to talk about groups in power, the members of Skull and Bones are the ones I'd keep my eye on. And with them, it's easy to give names. Check out a list of them here en.wikipedia.org... And watch a video from 60 minutes about them here video.yahoo.com... And here's a quick list of names-- *George Bush (initiated in 1948) *William H. Taft (Skull & Bones 1878) *Sen. Jonathan Bingham (D-N.M.). *Sen. David Boren (D-Okla.) *Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.) *Sen. John Heinz (R-Pa.) *Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) Yep, that last one is John Kerry. As in, the other option to Bush. So either way the last election went, another Bonesmen was going to be president. Probably coincidence, but as a coincidence its even more telling than as a conspiracy. These are the guys who hold all the keys to most of the doors. Not the several million Jews, but the 300 some living Bonesmen. The Bonesmen are the ones who can get power, and right now they are the ones who keep it.

Captpostmod I'm kind of dissapointed in the dishonest style of your debate. You said I claimed that Jews ran the media and refused to back up the claim. Meanwhile I provided a link and it was you who refused to read it. Read my link and refute the claims or be quiet and stop pretending that I'm puilling this out of my butt.

And yeah NYC has tons of Mafia, the Russian, Chinese, Irish etc. But usually people preface that by saying, Im in trouble with the Russian mob" or something like that. When you don't name a nationality It's assumed Italian.

As for the Templars they were the leaders in Interntational Banking. 1300 years ago! For the last 250 years that has not been the case. And remember who the Templars were. They were the guardians of the Temple of Solomon so even back then the Jewish community had banking connections although nothing like today.

CaptPostMod wrote:

I lived in NYC. In Astoria actually... So do you think that it's the Italian mob I had to deal with a lot? If you live in NYC, then you know that I had to pay off someone from the Greek mob to get a good enough apartment there (I really did to, wild story, but I had to pay a guy named Spyro a couple thousand in cash as a "finder's fee" for my place). So, in New York City, when talking about mobs and mafias, the Greeks can be meant as well (the Italian's stuck to Long Island City in my part of Queens).

LOL

Shoot the messenger.
Take a look at the history of the Jews and the pogroms they suffered under- banking was one of the few endeavers they could make a living at- they were cut off other means of support in a lot of countries in their ignorant anti simetic zeal.
And they still get smeared because they are a people apart as God intended. From them came the Man to remove the curse we all suffer under.
They rebuffed their King but He will be coming back again when they will recognise Him.

The Templars were not scapegoat money grubbing jews as you imply :
Following the victory of the First Crusade a group of knights, led by Hugues de Payens, offered themselves to the Patriarch of Jerusalem as a military force.


This proposed military force had the mandate of protecting Christian pilgrims who were en route to the Holy Land In the year 1118 AD King Baldwin II granted the Templars quarters on the Temple Mount.


For the first nine years of their existence, the order consisted of nine knights. Speculations of treasure hunting aside, one of the reasons for the limited number of members may have been the reluctance to take Templar vows. Chastity, poverty and obedience were hardly a lifestyle greatly sought after.


In the year 1127 the Cistercian abbot, Bernard of Clairvaux, wrote a rule of order for the Templars that was based on his own Cistercian order's rule of conduct. Additionally, Bernard did a great deal to promote the Templars.


Perhaps Bernard's greatest contribution to the order was a letter that he wrote to Hugues de Payens, entitled De laude novae militae (In praise of the new knighthood.)


This letter swept throughout Christendom with the result being that many men, of noble birth, joined the ranks of the Templar Order. Those who were unable to join often gifted the Templars with land and other valuables.


While it is true that the Templars were not permitted, by their rule, to own much of anything personally, there was no such restriction on the order as a whole. As such the gifts of land were accepted and put to immediate use by the order.


From humble beginnings of poverty in 118, when the order relied on alms from traveling pilgrims, the Order quickly grew to have the backing of the Holy See and the collective European monarchies.
..snip

I have been to Acre in 2004 and have some english ancestrol connection with one of the early orders which does have viable roots
p31

WhatheMatrixis wrote:

Captpostmod I'm kind of dissapointed in the dishonest style of your debate. You said I claimed that Jews ran the media and refused to back up the claim. Meanwhile I provided a link and it was you who refused to read it. Read my link and refute the claims or be quiet and stop pretending that I'm puilling this out of my butt. And yeah NYC has tons of Mafia, the Russian, Chinese, Irish etc. But usually people preface that by saying, Im in trouble with the Russian mob" or something like that. When you don't name a nationality It's assumed Italian. As for the Templars they were the leaders in Interntational Banking. 1300 years ago! For the last 250 years that has not been the case. And remember who the Templars were. They were the guardians of the Temple of Solomon so even back then the Jewish community had banking connections although nothing like today.

pilgrim31 wrote:

S The Templars were not scapegoat money grubbing jews as you imply :

I never implied that.

I know full well that the Templars started as 9 nights to guard the passage to the East and holy temple. All I said was that there was a relation between the Templars and Jewish people because they were gaurding the Temple. As for the rest of your post I gree with everything, you seem very knowledgeable on the subject.

And please dont puyt words in my mouth like "money grubbing", that adds nothing to the debate and is the kind of thing that starts flamewars.

Sorry if I projected on you there- the jewish money conspiracey mantra gets a little tiring and I thought that was the direction.
About the same validity as the Masons that they got secret magic from Solomon's basement for their old boys club
lol
Anyway, I see the Bible as the greatest , albeit ignored, resource on our mutual matrix delving
P13

WhatheMatrixis wrote:

pilgrim31 wrote: S The Templars were not scapegoat money grubbing jews as you imply : I never implied that. I know full well that the Templars started as 9 nights to guard the passage to the East and holy temple. All I said was that there was a relation between the Templars and Jewish people because they were gaurding the Temple. As for the rest of your post I gree with everything, you seem very knowledgeable on the subject. And please dont puyt words in my mouth like "money grubbing", that adds nothing to the debate and is the kind of thing that starts flamewars.

WhatheAntiSemitBabblingis wrote:

Captpostmod I'm kind of dissapointed in the dishonest style of your debate.

What have I done that's dishonest? You're the one who claimed to not be an anti-semite, and then proved that very claim dishonest when you stated that there is no such thing as a pro semitic website (or post) detailing Jewish power. If you take being called an anti-semite offensively, you do, but it doesn't change the fact that by your own definition you are. Show me my dishonesty.

WhatheAntiSemitBabblingis wrote:

You said I claimed that Jews ran the media and refused to back up the claim. Meanwhile I provided a link and it was you who refused to read it. Read my link and refute the claims or be quiet and stop pretending that I'm puilling this out of my butt.

If you can't even provide me with a rough sketch of the argument behind your link and give me those names and heritages I asked for, then why should I be bothered checking out a website that bashes my wife's people. I don't have any desire to read your neo-Nazi clap trap

I was very forthcoming with my own details and provided a link too. But I didn't just say "Go read a link." I put the info right here on the thread so that I could show how I understood it and people could check it out for themselves.

WhatheAntiSemitBabblingis wrote:

And yeah NYC has tons of Mafia, the Russian, Chinese, Irish etc. But usually people preface that by saying, Im in trouble with the Russian mob" or something like that. When you don't name a nationality It's assumed Italian.

Assume it's Italian in Astoria and see how long you keep all your teeth

WhatheAntiSemitBabblingis wrote:

...[the Templars] were the guardians of the Temple of Solomon.

They were the guardians of the temple of Zerubabel which was the renewed Temple of Solomn.

pilgrim31 wrote:

Re: To Capt. and others-That [Skull and Bones] mud kinda flys in the face of this...

Don't get me wrong, unlike our WhatheAntiSemitBabblingis friend here, I'm not claiming conspiracy or sinster motives. I was going to come on and revise that "ONE world under WAR" statement to add a question mark, but you've already locked it in quotes, so the opportunities gone.

I'm not saying that Skull and Bones are evil, or that they are a conspiracy. The Freeemasons often point out that they are not a secret society because everyone knows who they are and what they do. The same can be said for Skull and Bones. The overtly state that they are creating world leaders. That's the job of universities and their clubs and programs, to turn out great leaders in whatever fields their students pursue. All I'm saying is that if I was going to peg anyone as world controllers, it would not be the Jews whose overt connection is a relatively peaceful religion. It would be the guys whose overt connection is a fraternity that openly builds world controllers.

I've never said that world control is bad though. That's just something many people have inferred.

captpostmod wrote:

that bashes my wife's people. I don't have any desire to read your neo-Nazi clap trap

Aha! I knew there was a reason behind it.

You make good points Capt. but the underworld is too vast for 'some 300 men'. While the notion that a whole nationality is geared to "control the world" is silly, one must accept the fact that there are many players at the table, keep looking at one "team" at a time and you all will eventually start to realise.

intell wrote:

captpostmod wrote: that bashes my wife's people. I don't have any desire to read your neo-Nazi clap trap Aha! I knew there was a reason behind it.

I've mentioned it many times. Including on our Davinci's big M thread Oh, how soon they forget.

So my reason for disagreeing with anti-semitic clap trap is that I fit into a group (people married to Jews)? Not the reasons I've given (the OP has a huge bias towards one group and doesn't not fit the films well at all)? Now that sounds like a bit of labeling on your part, doesn't it?

intell wrote:

...but the underworld

That's my point. I wouldn't watch the underworld if I were worried about world dominiation. I'd worry about the world right in front of us.

captpostmod wrote:

I've mentioned it many times. Including on our Davinci's big M thread Oh, how soon they forget.

Sometimes I forget who said what. I remember, now.

captpostmod wrote:

So my reason for disagreeing with anti-semitic clap trap is that I fit into a group (people married to Jews)? Not the reasons I've given (the OP has a huge bias towards one group and doesn't not fit the films well at all)? Now that sounds like a bit of labeling on your part, doesn't it?

I didn't mean to imply that and if anyone else gets that impression I might have to clarify. It just goes back to our exchange earlier about why you seemed more passionate (to me) about this issue than usual. Your reasons are completely valid about the OP and were never in dispute, not from me, that is. I just sensed something that was not evident (using the force ) about it and I found it. Nothing more. No labeling. Anyone could do what you did and mean nothing special to me. But you doing it seemed odd (due to temporary memory loss on my part) in keeping with my perception of captpostmod as an individual. Just call it "circumstantial evidence"

captpostmod wrote:

I wouldn't watch the underworld if I were worried about world dominiation. I'd worry about the world right in front of us.

gina rink wrote:

I’m always talking about synergy. ...One year + wmv = the long count lesson. All sevens and fives. All in line. All in time. At the end, everything has a beginning, NEO. It’s not so bad once you get to know it. If NEO saved us, consider the alternative.

Capt, you bring up many points so I wont address them all to keep this from going in endless circles I'll just stick to the claim of Jewish media ownership which is the thrust of my essay.

I love the irony in that on a Matrix forum full of truth seekers everyone is so addicted to thier blue pills they are afraid to read a link with an alternate view.

Here are some names I pulled out of the article for those who choose to stay away from real life rabbit holes.

So what that there are a preponderance of Jews in the Media? There is NO conspiracey but there is a biblical law in effect:
to the Jew first and then the Gentile Gen 12:3

Untill the 'truth' seekers seek the biblical roots behind all events they have no hope of liberation from their intellectual morass and fallen state- this applys to all on the planet . Does that sound a little Matrixey?

Only the work of one man- Jesus Christ has made the door open for freedom to all individuals because of His sacrifice and ressurection from death, the original curse

True seekers can find proof of validity of the account via historicall prophetic accounts in the biblical record. But most are too lazy and prefer their own endless intellectual meanderings.
Too bad because the Gos Pill is the only pill that can wake anybody up- a personal relationship with Jesus in this fallen enslaved world.

1Jo 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from him, and declare to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not practise the truth.
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light as *he* is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.

WhatheMatrixis wrote:

Capt, you bring up many points so I wont address them all to keep this from going in endless circles I'll just stick to the claim of Jewish media ownership which is the thrust of my essay. I love the irony in that on a Matrix forum full of truth seekers everyone is so addicted to thier blue pills they are afraid to read a link with an alternate view. Here are some names I pulled out of the article for those who choose to stay away from real life rabbit holes. natall.com... Disney - Michael Eisner Viacom - Sumner Redstone NBC Universal, - Edgar Bronfman AOL Time Warner - Gerald Levin Dreamworks - Speilberg, Katzenberg, Geffen - Dreamworks Columbia Pictures - Amy pascal Vivendi Entertainment, Polygram records - Edgar Bronfman Associated Press director - Michael Silverman Newhouse Media - Samuel Newhouse New York Times - Sulzberger Washington Post - Doanld Graham Wall St. Journal- Peter Kann Not bad for a group that is only 3% of the country, and that ain't the half of it. The Article also details Jewish television involvement. "The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and NBC. With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no longer independent entities. While they were independent, however, each was controlled by a Jew since its inception: ABC by Leonard Goldenson; NBC first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert; and CBS first by William Paley and then by Laurence Tisch. Over several decades these networks were staffed from top to bottom with Jews, and the essential Jewishness of network television did not change when the networks were absorbed by other Jewish-dominated media corporations. The Jewish presence in television news remains particularly strong. NBC provides a good example of this. The president of NBC News is Neal Shapiro. Jeff Zucker is NBC Universal Television Group president. Reporting directly to Zucker is his close friend Jonathan Wald, formerly an NBC program producer, now a senior consultant for CNBC. David M. Zaslav is president of NBC Cable (and also a director of digital video firm TiVo Inc.). The president of MSNBC is Rick Kaplan. All of these men are Jews. A similar preponderance of Jews exists in the news divisions of the other networks. Sumner Redstone, Tom Freston, and Les Moonves control Viacom's CBS. Moonves demonstrated his power in 2002 by replacing the entire staff of the new CBS Early Show. He is also a great-nephew of Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister. Al Ortiz (also a Jew) is executive producer and director of special events coverage for CBS News. Senior executive producer Michael Bass and Victor Neufeld (formerly producer of ABC's 20/20) produce the CBS Early Show; both are Jews. At ABC, David Westin, who is a Jew according to Jeffrey Blankfort of the Middle East Labor Bulletin, is the president of ABC News. The senior vice president for news at ABC is Paul Slavin, also a Jew. Bernard Gershon, a Jew, is senior vice president/general manager of the ABC News Digital Media Group, in charge of ABCNEWS.com, ABC News Productions, and ABC News Video Source."

hexediter wrote:

Ultimatly I think your conclusions reach to far. Christ did not come to save the world from the Jews, he came to simply save the world, or as popular orthadox says, save from sin, the gnostics would say he came to help us reach gnosis, to realize the truth that we are devine sparks trapped in mortal vessals and need to break free from this artificial world. The Jews may hold some amount of power, but the wachowski's aren't really venemous towards any sect of people that I know of. Every group has it's bad apples. I think you will find the matrix even more fullfilling and interesting if you take in to account the other messages hidden within, and integrate them into a greater whole.

Ramakandra wrote:

the many followed Neo, who was in fact Christ. Neo sacrificed his life for all people, regardless of their race or religion and he did that because of truth - "there is some truth in your fiction, and some fiction in your truth" - this is sole reason why Neo entered the Matrix to find truth. After he entered, he realized that his true purpose lied ahead, to destroy that which destroys the lives (edit: or souls) of other people, even if it meant at the cost of his own life. Jesus and Neo were compassionate people who realized that life(edit: love) was meant to embrace all, BEFORE a reason presented itself, that is why Jesus preached Forgiveness. Understand, that if you feel better when other people are under any form of persecution, that not only are you not like Neo, Jesus, Christianity, Islam or Judiasm, but more like the opposite.

Whathematrix, i have to side more with hex and rama... the purpose behind the matrix is not to attack Jewish power over American media, government, or politics, because they do not have power. don't get me wrong, their beliefs and ideas have greatly influenced, shaped, and molded our society and it's beliefs but it is not becaue Jews have anything to do with it. and i'm not denying that there may be Jewish people in politics or in high places that may be pulling strings or influincing things, but expand your view beyond the scope of the Jews, zoom out a little, i think you may be looking a little too closely on one aspect and not looking at the whole picture. jewish influence is only a piece of the puzzle, only part of the plan. note, i am a Christian and this is only my opinion that follows and you have your right to disagree, but this is my take on things, and like i said, it is my opinion.

the Matrix in my opinion is to open peoples eyes or minds to how they have been blinded to the truth; no, not blinded by the Jews but blinded by Satan. after all, he infamous for his half-truths and lies, for blinding people. yes, half truths. jewish influence is merely one of the tools Satan has used to do so. i know, some of yall may be thinking Satan using Jews, I must be crazy. but if you think about it, it's really quite plausable. think about it; the truth that Jesus preached and taught conflicted with the Jewish beliefs of his time. it conflicted with everything the Pharisees knew and stood for. that's why when we take the red pill, we have to forget everything we think we knew, because everything we knew was a lie, a half-truth, a coverup. why did what Jesus teach conflict with their ideology? because he taught that there was only ONE way, through Christ. he initiated a new covenant. the only way they knew justification from sin was from the Law/Torah and from the "fathers", which was something that they could do. they thought they could save themselves. but we cannot save ourselves; if we could, God would not have sent his Son, Jesus Christ, to die as a sacrifice for us/our sins; there would have been no reason. Jesus tried to open their eyes to this with the new covenant. God gave them and mankind a chance to save themselves through the old covenant, which was under the law. but noone was good or perfect enough to keep the whole law, that's why God and Jesus formed the second covenant. it was God's way of saying, "Okay, i've given you ample opportunity to save yourselves, i've made a way, given you the means, even gave you the instructions to do so, but you couldn't follow them. You are unable to save yourselves; therefore i will send my Son and Him and His blood will be a sacrifice to save your from your sins and justify you in my eyes if you will accept. He is the only way, because you have proven that you cannot save yourself.
Unfortunately, or rather fortunately i guess for the Gentiles sake, the Jews were to stubborn, set in their ways, and blind to see this. they still thought they were good enough to save themselves despite the several times Jesus showed them otherwise. to them, accepting the new covenant meant forgetting everything they thought they knew; it changed everything and they were afraid of change. and that concept, that someone can save themselves, that concept that originated with the Jews, has carried over into nearly every other religion, culture or society, especially America. so many people think that their good works can save them, but it doesn't stand up in God's eyes. they think all of their good works will outway their bad works, but it doesn't work that way. and when people are told this, that they cannot save themselves, they hate it and immediately reject it, b/c it goes against everything they think the know to be true; but they are to afraid of change to even listen. what people try to do when they say that there is something they can do to save themselves is they are trying to use the law to justify themselves: the law which was by works, the old covenant, but God says in his Word, that "all our righteousness is as filthy rags." we simply cannot live good enough lives to merit or earn salvation. if we are to reach justification, we must rely solely on the work of Christ to save us. "For by grace are ye saved, through faith, not of works lest any man should boast." that's what the purpose of the Matrix is, to wake people up to see that there is only One way, and that is Jesus Christ, the ONE.

to wrap things up, the matrix is not to attack Jewish involvment in our country, but to awaken people to the truth, to get them to question the half truths and lies, especially the main one that originated from Jews. yes, jews may be holding the tool of the american media, politics, and such, but the jews themselves are merely a tool in the hand of Satan who has used them to spread their unintentionally false standpoints through the tools that they possess. i don't think this misconception is intentionally spread to deceive people, but they have deceived themselves and believe what they are saying, afterall it even says in the Bible that they are partially blinded to the truth. and the reason they are blinded is to usher in the time of the Gentiles (which is now, our time is here); we're just waiting for the Fullness of the Gentiles. in summary, it's not the Jews, it's part of a bigger plan that God is in complete control of and is only a matter of time until the next phase approaches, or the next matrix, but God is in control and the next phase will involve the One. therefore, i encourage everyone to open their mind, question the spirits to see whether they are true, rightly divide the word of truth to see whether these things are so. afterall, the scripture says, "my people perish for a lack of knowledge." open your eyes, accept the red pill (Christ) while there is time, quit being so afraid of change.

Noodleguy I mostly agree with you except I'm not as into the religion thing. I must admit that was the best religious themed post so far, your views were plausible and rational.

Some people believe God loved humans so much that he turned himself into one so he could be killed, so he could stop himself from torturing us for all eternity. I'm just not one of them.

I don't allege that the purpose of the Matrix was to awaken people to Jewish influence, I just think that it was the secret analogy of the films. I'm fairly certain the Wachowski's are Jewish themselves so I dont see why they would want to call attention to that aspect of our society.

I think you pretty well put your finger on it noodle guy!
I have to disagree with 'Whathematrixis' a bit though.
God is love - He does not torture us but lets us go our own way as we wish and experience the curse that our willfullness brought in.
That is God's dilemma- He is lonely for our companianship but has to honor our own will no matter how destructive untill we turn away from the curse through His redemptive action in Christ.
If Christ makes you free- you are free indeed!
In this world and the one to come.
P31

WhatheMatrixis wrote:

Noodleguy I mostly agree with you except I'm not as into the religion thing. I must admit that was the best religious themed post so far, your views were plausible and rational. Some people believe God loved humans so much that he turned himself into one so he could be killed, so he could stop himself from torturing us for all eternity. I'm just not one of them. I don't allege that the purpose of the Matrix was to awaken people to Jewish influence, I just think that it was the secret analogy of the films. I'm fairly certain the Wachowski's are Jewish themselves so I dont see why they would want to call attention to that aspect of our society.

well, thanks, but actually, i was quite as specific and clear as i should have been. but i understand what you're saying about God loving humans so much that he turned himself into one so he could be killed, so he could stop himself from torturing us for all eternity. but that's the thing... God does not condemn us... if you read John 3:17, it tells that Jesus didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it, and 2nd Peter 3:9 tells us that God is not willing that ANY should perish! God does not condemn us... we do, our sins do; God has made a way for us to escape that condemnation through the sacrifice that Jesus was; he was the sacrifice for our sins, but the sad thing is, many people won't accept Christ, and they will have to pay for their sins themselves by burning in hell for all eternity. once again, God does not condemn us, in fact he has gone out of his way to provide a way for us to escape condemnation.

actually, your misinterpretation of this ^ above is kindof an example of how the matrix is similar to Christianity (no offense intended). when people chose to accept the red pill & were unplugged, they had to forget everything they thought they knew about life/reality/the world they lived in if they were to truly understand things and to see them as they truly were. salvation is the same way. so many people have a lot of ideas of what they think salvation is about or how to get it, and they have been led to believe so many different things because of tradition or just by what they'd heard or raised up believing, but they don't know the truth to the matter, people don't think to take the time to see what God says about the matter. salvation works God's way, not ours; he made the way. but unfortunately there are many misconceptions and misunderstandings out there as to salvation. first, many are unaware that they need to be saved or why the would need to, yet people try to warn them of the prognosis (damnation/death) and offer them the cure (Christ/or the pill) when they haven't even been given a diagnosis (sin/machines). for example, many believe that they can save themselves or that they are good enough to merit heaven, or that their good deeds will outway their bad, and sad to say but they're wrong; it simply doesn't work that way. and if they are to be woken up to the truth they must wake up the true way b/c there's only one way just like in the matrix. people need to forget what they think they know about salvation and wake up to the truth of the matter, and see what God says about it.

sorry, i'm done preachin now, didn't mean 2 write that much... but as i was saying, i was unclear in writing what i was thinking. what i meant to say, is that in the Movie, taking the red pill is symbolic of accepting salvation. and i say that because like i said, most people in the world today are unaware that they are held captive, they are slaves, with the life being sucked out of them; everyone is trusting their eyes and don't reckognize that there is more to life than meets the eye. we are slaves, servants to sin, like humans in the Matrix were slaves to machines. we unconsciously and without knowledge of even doing so serve sin, and until we escape it, we are condemned to eternal damnation just like those who were destined for death as long as they were hooked up to the matrix and serving the machines. our spiritual life and existence is being drained & sucked away from us and we are completely unaware of it, blinded as those in the matrix were to the fact that the machines were feeding off of their energy. but the red pill is symbolic of salvation, b/c like in the movie how they were freed from the matrix/from service to the machines once they accepted the pill, we as Christians are freed from sin once we accept Christ.

i believe you said the red pill was symbolic of the forbidden fruit, but as i stated above, i see the option to choose blue or red as the option to reject or accept Christ as your savior.

i have more insight into the relationship b/t Christianity & the Matrix, but i don't have time to post it all right now... but if ur interested, let me know & i might try to get some of it down 4 ya. but what do u mean that you think it was the 'secret analogy of the films'. u mean that it was perhaps just one of the various analogies that you can get from the movies (such as Mat + Christianity, Mat + Jew Infl, Mat+Buddhism, etc.)?

I agree- ONLY Jesus has the keys of hell and death and can reverse the curse we all live under
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Rev 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead person. But he put his right hand on me and said: Don't be afraid! I am the first, the last,
Rev 1:18 and the living one. I died, but now I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys to death and the world of the dead.

Pretty streight talk what.