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I have seen Matrix Revolutions and I want to comment on it [no theory discussion here!]

 

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I understood the ending and had no problem with it. I liked the movie but it missed a simple point! In the first Matrix movie Morpheus "unplugs" Neo and explains how the machines have enslaved humans. I was under the understanding that the machines would be destroyed and people would be freed. As it stands now, there is no war but the machines STILL have humans plugged in and being used as batteries! Neo was supposed to be some kind of savior for the people trapped in the matrix, so what the hell happened to that? Gumpyellow

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Neo gave people the best thing possible, choice. At the end of M3 the architect says that if a human wants to be freed from the matrix, he will be.

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Exactly, the whole matrix story is about the need for humans to make choises. The only thing that I wonder is this:

Now humans have the choice between the matrix or real life it could be posible that at some piont no humans want to be in the matrix any more. This means that the machines wont have any more power and will be determinated. So it is weerd that the architect so easlly says "I'm not human, I ceep my promisses.". Why teaking this risk while he can whipe out zion, and make sure that ther are only people living in the matrix?

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the architect is human because the way he said it sounds like he might be human and the oracle never says he is not.

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ResurecctedNeo17 wrote:

the architect is human because the way he said it sounds like he might be human and the oracle never says he is not.


I dont think he is human. in Reload he talks about creating the perfect matrix and why Neo is already the 6th anomaly. He would be more than a hundred years old if he was human.

I think the Architect just sounded sarcastic because machines being calculated as they are do follow what they say, unlike the unpredictability of humans. So in a way, it would be silly for the Oracle to even say that to the Architect. This scene shows where the 2 differ... primarily also because of their role in the matrix. The Oracle thinks more like a human, while the architect thinks like a machine.

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D3RaX wrote:

Exactly, the whole matrix story is about the need for humans to make choises. The only thing that I wonder is this:

Now humans have the choice between the matrix or real life it could be posible that at some piont no humans want to be in the matrix any more. This means that the machines wont have any more power and will be determinated. So it is weerd that the architect so easlly says "I'm not human, I ceep my promisses.". Why teaking this risk while he can whipe out zion, and make sure that ther are only people living in the matrix?


You've got to figure that there's peace now. It wouldn't surprise me that if after the movie, they worked together to unblacken the sky. Or at least work on another power supply for the machines so all humans could be freed.

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Humans need machines and vice-versa. Just like humans need to be in peace other humans. They'll probably work together to finally build something instead of destroying it. Humans should do the same in real world.

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The sky was blackened, the earth was made a waste land. Just because Neo saves Zion doesnt mean he can heal all wounds, all he does is give hope for a better tomorrow.

Remember Cipher? He was very unhappy with the real world. In the ending of Revolutions, the matrix seems better than ever. Is mankind being punished by living there at all? No! They can opt out at any time now, provided they can handle the real world- which is much more harsh than the comfy matrix.

Meanwhile, now that war has abated, the people dont have to be cramped up in Zion any more. They can venture out of their cave and rebuild the earth. It would be tough going at first, but over time maybe they will work it out (there is a comic about this guy from Zion who later died, but he was fascinated with farming so he risked his life and collected seeds and found ways to grow them eve in the harsh conditions with that blackened sky).

In any case, there are tons of possibilities, but even if you could free all humans, it doesnt mean that they'd want to be freed from one reality only to be enslaved by the burdens of the other. The cool thing is they get to choose which one makes them happier.

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It seems obvious to me that the machine AI seems to enjoy existing as different programs in the matrix. Resisting deletion, creating purposeless new programs, etc.

There was no greater AI who has the authoroty to shut down the matrix in case of a threat like Smith. The machine god in the end was worried about Neo failing, and the cause for this is either that the matrix could not be shut down, or that the energy cost was to great. The machines was prepared to survive at a low energy level, so the probable reason is that the matrix could not be shut down. Was this beacuse Smith was an equal AI to the Architect in the end? Or was it beacuse their existance in the matrix meant so much to so many programs that they would not let it be destroyed?

After Revolutions, the meaning of the matrix seems as a place where AI could exist with purpose. It could not find a purpose by itsself, and thus used us as a tool.

The revolution of the matrix is that it is now possible for every human to find purpose as well. We are no longer trapped in a invisible prison. And this does not remove purpose for the AI, it just had to be redifined.

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