»The man born inside«

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When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was he who freed the first of us, taught us the truth.

Who was this man? Was he the previous one?

Not to avoid answering your question, Crisis, but what do you think? And here's another question to add to your first one: how reliable do you believe that quote is?

Well just from the way he says 'freed the first of us' - sounds like he was there e.g one of the first to be freed, and thus see this person that freed him. I know that the prophesy was a lie, just wondering that if Morpheus did see him, who was it?

It would probably be helpful at this point to see if we can determine who Morpheus meant by "us." If he was referring to all Zionists in general, then he's talking about the last 100 years of history of which he's aware. So even though he was not there when the current cycle of Zion started 100 years ago, he can still say "us" because he's a part of Zion. The same logic allows him to say "us" even though he was not personally freed by the previous One.

Ok, let me broaden this quesion a little. When those selected Zionists are freed, how are they told the truth? By whom? Who takes them to Zion?

"…his return and that his coming would hail the destruction of the Matrix, end the war and bring freedom to our people."

Who and what he was is indicative of his fulfilment. The Beginning of the End…

"…where the path of the One ends"

It is clear that while Neo encountered Special Consciousness, He and his path superseded those who then as well as now, seek to follow/understand.

The details of that scenario are never really revealed beyond what you've already seen in the movies. My take on the order of events is as follows:

1. The One frees 23 individuals from the Matrix to rebuild Zion
2. He tells them that he is the One and demonstrates his abilities inside the Matrix as proof
3. The rebuilding process of Zion begins
4. The residents of Zion are in "survival" mode rather than "fight" mode
5. The One dies of old age
6. The Oracle appears and prophecies the One's return and the destruction of the Matrix
7. Zion switches gears from "survival" mode to "fight" mode
8. The rebellion begins (which points to Morpheus' reference to the Oracle being with them "since the beginning")
9. The One is found, and the events from the first movie begin

Granted, over half of this is just stuff I added in that makes sense to me. Probably anyone else you talk to will have a completely different idea of how it goes down.

Hey Inev, lemme ask you a question. Let's assume that the part of the prophecy talking about the destruction of the Matrix is actually true and that the Oracle wasn't lying about that. Since we believe that the Matrix symbolizes the mind--something that you obviously wouldn't want destroyed--how might that "destruction" go down?

Moses was the previous Savior

It is interesting to note that from the time Neo became ‘The One’ (end of M1) more minds had been freed in six months than in six years. Obviously the emergence of the integral anomaly has massive effect upon those anticipating ~The One, as it is both his presence and impending fulfilment that is central to their freedom

Ok, were posting pretty quickly, so for those reading I’ve only just caught up with Feralboys last post. Reading… considering.

Feral Boy wrote:

Hey Inev, lemme ask you a question. Let's assume that the part of the prophecy talking about the destruction of the Matrix is actually true and that the Oracle wasn't lying about that. Since we believe that the Matrix symbolizes the mind--something that you obviously wouldn't want destroyed--how might that "destruction" go down?

Well it never ceases to amaze me in that just as Neo wasn’t “ready” and “believed him” (Architect) many interpreting seem to be experiencing the same effect ~vis a vis “the prophesy was a lie”.

Firstly the Prophetic utterance says 'hail' the destruction. Now this isn’t its completion is it? Just announcement.

Morpheus explained the Matrix was Control and that was nature of the problem. So it could be viewed that Neo bringing Peace to the two opposing forces, preliminary has hailed their alienations destruction. "The Child is important… someday change both our world and your world forever"

The Freedom is Real, unopposed, legal. The War is over. The only question that remains is do we want that freedom. Indeed there will be those who resist as well as those who accept. So the war is now a cold war

Inevitability wrote:

It is interesting to note that from the time Neo became ‘The One’ (end of M1) more minds had been freed in six months than in six years. Obviously the emergence of the integral anomaly has massive effect upon those anticipating ~The One, as it is both his presence and impending fulfilment that is central to their freedom

I'd always wondered about that as well. From a technical standpoint, I always had the opinion that Neo, as the integral anomaly, was somehow able to detect those in the Matrix who had unconsciously rejected the Matrix--thereby adding just a bit to the systemic anomaly. Kind recognizing kind. Like Jesus said, he knows his own sheep.

Agent Smith: Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.

Feral Boy wrote:

Neo, as the integral anomaly, was somehow able to detect those in the Matrix who had unconsciously rejected the Matrix--thereby adding just a bit to the systemic anomaly. Kind recognizing kind. Like Jesus said, he knows his own sheep.

I remember in the continuing story red pills are reported by the Architect to possess similar anomalous code of which he is oblivious to control or understand and even reluctantly asks the humans of the Matrix for thier help in quashing

I thought he meant the "integral anomaly" and said, 'the one you know as "Neo".'

But this thread is very interesting. I might say something later.

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When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was he who freed the first of us, taught us the truth.

When Morpheus is telling this story to Neo, he is referring to the previous "one" from the most recent reboot of the Matrix (approx. 100 years). Of course he doesn't know that there have been 5 previous "ones" and that this is the 5th time this has happened. Nobody in Zion does....except Neo. Anomaly #5, of Matrix version #3, (Matrix v3.5) is the one who most recently freed the 23 people. So his story...or legend...has been passed down throughout the several generations of families from the current population of Zion who are decendants of these 23 people

DaVinci wrote:

Agent Smith: I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery.

I suggest it is not that "suffering and misery" is where we were intended to define our reality. Rather this became our burden, once doubt had taken root in the mind questioning Gods goodness, thus breaking his only commandment. Having lost the virtue of trust or 'good faith', suffering and misery became our demise as we only had ourselves to look to.

Therfore... The perfect world was a dream that our primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up to

...at least by those returning (red pils).

for we can live in our own dreams, or His.

Inev, check out the Angelic Records from Arc 4.

Yea, those Pandora’s are a whole other red pill. Still swallowing

Well about the timeline.. Doesn't Morpheus also say, that they've been fighting the machines for 100 years?

edit: and there are ppl who were born in zion, so it must be.

Inevitability wrote:

DaVinci wrote: Agent Smith: I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. I suggest it is not that "suffering and misery" is where we were intended to define our reality. Rather this became our burden, once doubt had taken root in the mind questioning Gods goodness, thus breaking his only commandment. Having lost the virtue of trust or 'good faith', suffering and misery became our demise as we only had ourselves to look to. Therfore... The perfect world was a dream that our primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up to ...at least by those returning (red pils). for we can live in our own dreams, or His.

I think that other religions did not have suffering, misery and fear of going to Hell. Like the Catholic Church.

The Perfect world was Eden.
But we humans buy or believe in the suffering and misery that we must have in order to go to heaven. Why? It is a Christian Believe.

There is indeed HUGE misconceptions like this. Like God ‘planned’ it all like this and blindly.. ‘this must be his purpose’ etc. “Why did God take his/her life”. God doesn’t take life, he gives it.

We live in a fallen world, like in Pandora’s box (Arc 4) MAN has become the Architect of his own demise. We became enslaved to the world we were graced with and given charge over once abandoning it at its Source.

Through Vanity & Corruption we turned from Truth to Self. Pain is a sign that something is wrong, not an advocate of life and should cause us to seek truth at its root, leading us back to life. For when all is lived in harmony with each other Elysian is returned. You could say everything is out of sync and this causes Friction ~the Alienation we now see, throughout our world, throughout ourselves.

However to know suffering is indeed knowing ourselves and the world. The more Value we understand things to have the more it will hurt when seen in pain/dysfunction. Likewise increasing Joy when harmonious.

Neo suffered this at its Source ~the Pain of the Machine caused by humans and demonstrated Love becoming accountable in recognition of their Value & Worth ("If you could see them like I see them")

Reading these posts is the 'One' also a belief handed down by both Architect & Oracle as it became apparent what change was needed.


Oracle (different guise declaring her/him self as the one) appeared showed a few fireworks and released 23 of them with a purpose to follow and a signal to look out which would signal the birth of the One.

Then every so often when Architect & Oracle noticed that the Matrix may be taking a turn for the worst or need a change a signal was released from a person (Mr. Anderson in this case) to fulfil the 'mock' propechy.