»The Prophcey«

In Reloaded, after Neo chooses the left door and after all that stuff, everybody is mad saying it is a lie, but it only says when the One returns to the Scoure the war will end. So at the end of Revolutions, Neo mets the Scoure and ends the war. If i am wrong please tell me, and soory if this is a repost.

thats it he ends the war when he know what he has to do because he is connected to the source

No wrong, he was in the machine city, and not connected to the source, the source was through the right door. and the reason why the war ended was because deus ex had to keep his side of the bargin. Neo at the end rlised that he need to asimalate with smith in order to return the anomly code to the source.

however I feel that Deux...mecca <---whatever is the source he is the source of power for the machines and the source of power to the matrix... hence you can say that Neo once joined with smith was indeed returned to the source.

Neo1 wrote:

No wrong, he was in the machine city, and not connected to the source, the source was through the right door. and the reason why the war ended was because deus ex had to keep his side of the bargin. Neo at the end rlised that he need to asimalate with smith in order to return the anomly code to the source.

Oracle: ...the source.
Neo: The machine mainframe.
Oracle: Yes. Where you must go. Where the path of the One ends.

I gather that the machine mainframe can be found in the machine city?

The right door in the architect room is the Matrix exit to the source, but not the only path there; and - as we learn from Neo's predecessors - it is not the path of understanding.

Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program, after which you will be required to select from the Matrix...

It is very important to consider the quality of the plugs when Neo approaches to the source:

Door of light / Matrix: head
Machine city: head and body

In the Marix, the (door of) light envelopes Neo (from outside!) in light and assimilates him for just a second,.... before the light ends up as a dot in the Architect's monitors -> control

Whereas in the machine city, the light enters Neo through the plugs and envelopes him from within!

This is the true return to the source....

where does the source conect?
whats is the point of the matrix?
what point does the source serve?

the source is conected or leads to the machine city.

the point of the matrix is to control poeple for the machine city

the source is the conection between the machine world and the matrix

another example of what your saying is someone with a hearing aid still cant hear anything because its not his actual ear drum...

he must travel through the door to be desemilated but I think it isnt so literal its more a choice when he is in the machine city he chooses to be desimilated one he defeats smith this happens. otherwise couldn't the architect push him in the doorway ending the movie.

Look at the trucks on the freeway. One of them says: "LONGPATH".

Neo returned to the Source but he took the longer/harder path.

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Look at the trucks on the freeway. One of them says: "LONGPATH".

Never noticed that

In RELOADED Neo said to Trinity, "I wish I knew what I was supposed to do."

Neo created Smith in M1 by liberating him and giving him the viral duplication power. We don't learn this 'til RELOADED. But this power makes Smith a threat to the machine and gives Neo bargainig power if he can eliminate Smith. So REVOLUTIONS shows us how Neo was DESTINED to end the war.

When Neo first meets Morpheus they have this conversation:

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Morpheus:Do you believe in fate, Neo? Neo: No. Morpheus: Why not? Neo: Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life. Morpheus: I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about? Neo: The Matrix. Morpheus: Do you want to know what it is? Neo: Yes. Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. Neo: What truth? Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.

Neo is trapped in a matrix of FATE more than anyone else. Neo was the 6th ONE. God worked SIX days and rested on the 7th. Neo was FATED to be THE LAST ONE.

psikeyhackr

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Neo is trapped in a matrix of FATE more than anyone else. Neo was the 6th ONE. God worked SIX days and rested on the 7th. Neo was FATED to be THE LAST ONE.

Too bad MxO is anything but restful. But Hebrews speaks of liberated Israelites (Zion?) who "did not enter into his rest." So hmmm.

Why did you pick on Hebrews?

Are you asking how deep the rabbit hole goes in THE MATRIX or in what we call the real world?

I have never messed with MxO. I assume a lot of Matrix spin-offs are just out for the bucks in the real world without much of significance to contribute. I just got to thinking with so much sublety in the plot there had to be a reason for something as obvious as Neo being the sixth ONE. They could have picked any number.

And what could explain the difference between this ONE and the previous five? Smith! Neo "accidentally" created the bargaining chip that forced the machines to back off from destroying Zion. But Neo didn't "know" it in M1. So we are back to Destiny and Fate.

If reincarnation works for Neo it must work for all humans. The people in the Matrix and in Zion are still in samsara. They have not attained nirvana. They still must go thru the cycle of reincarnation. Those who will never rest have "chosen" to never attain nirvana. Maybe they didn't fully understand when they made the "choice." But ignorance of THE LAW is no excuse.

psikey

Neo1 wrote:

No wrong, he was in the machine city, and not connected to the source, the source was through the right door. and the reason why the war ended was because deus ex had to keep his side of the bargin. Neo at the end rlised that he need to asimalate with smith in order to return the anomly code to the source.

Actually, the threadstarter has a point. The machine city is the big-ass CPU that 'contains' the Source. It's the machine mainframe.

The Matrix, the machine mainframe, the Architect's chamber, the Mobil Avenue station...all these things are virtual worlds, not existing in any physical place. Sorta like the Windows program running on your computer. But where is the actual processor, the CPU, the 'tower' that contains all this. It's the 'machine city' of course. This contains everything and is the truest 'Source' there is. When they refer to 'the machine world' in the movies, they are referring to the machine mainframe itself i.e. the operating system on which the machine city is run. This is the Source.

Neo, as a mechanically augmented cyborg (there is no debate, because you don't have metallic jacks into a nervous system equipped to receive signals from a computer program without being cyborg), is able to hook in to the machine mainframe a.k.a. the Source with a wireless connection à la Ghost In The Shell.

This is why he can stop squiddies dead in their tracks, why he can jack into the Matrix without the need of a ship to broadcast his signal, and why he can do all the things he can do inside the Matrix program. He's hooked straight in to the Source.

Now, when Neo chooses not to re-integrate at the end of Reloaded, he's like a lost asset for the machines. Then Neo - who could have just given up and gone home - decides that he is going to do something about this. No prophecy, no religion, no path, no bullshit...it's just his choice as a man to make the sacrifice.

Now, by all intents and purposes, Neo stops the war by reaching the true Source. Not in the perfectly magical way that would destroy the machines and the Matrix in the way Morpheus had been fantasising, but it did happen.

So, one has to wonder, was the prophecy 'true' or not? I'm sure it's one of the issues the Brothers want you to consider...not that you'd ever get an answer. You just have to choose. And the choice is simple: is it fatal determinism or free will that leads Neo to saving the world.

That'll bake your noodle for a little while.

psikeyhackr wrote:

Neo is trapped in a matrix of FATE more than anyone else. Neo was the 6th ONE. God worked SIX days and rested on the 7th. Neo was FATED to be THE LAST ONE. psikeyhackr

You've only highlighted 50% of the philosophical dilemma. There are arguments all throughout the Matrix trilogy both for and against determinism. It could be either free will (or its manipulation) or fate all the way through the trilogy. That's part of the whole debate and, just as in reality, there's no proving or disproving either theory. The only certainty is that they both disregard the validity of the other.

Unless, in true human form, we are compartmentalising and quantifying what is really a qualitative spectrum that we are unable to grasp and may only be able to intuit.

Enter spirituality, theology, etc...which is where the trilogy ends ("I believed").