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1. "...where we are no longer born - we are GROWN."

-in what way? think of the possibilities of ways the machines could engineer humans...


2. How can people "bend the rules" and do amazing things in the matrix? They have to "free their mind" and simply "believe".
Essentially, they have to understand they are inside a computer program. ...People are under the assumption that the "real world" is REAL - and NOT another Matrix - therefore, fantastic and unrealistic things can't and don't happen ... that is until Neo stops the sentinels in the "real world"...


3. When Neo wakes up (first movie) in his pod of goo, why does the sentinel let him go instead of killing him?


4. Science only comes so far, then comes God... or religion/spirituality - whichever way you want to look at it. Point is, human beings always turn to some kind of spiritual/religious answers when a logical scientific explanation cannot be found. The Matrix movies DIRECTLY deal with this. This reasoning is the answer to any question you might have about the Matrix trilogy.

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2. How can people "bend the rules" and do amazing things in the matrix? They have to "free their mind" and simply "believe". Essentially, they have to understand they are inside a computer program. ...People are under the assumption that the "real world" is REAL - and NOT another Matrix - therefore, fantastic and unrealistic things can't and don't happen ... that is until Neo stops the sentinels in the "real world"...

Explained in Revolutions. But if the real world is another Matrix and Neo gets that after stopping the sentinels why does he not fly and stuff? Why does he ask the Oracle how he was able to stop the sentinels, if he already knows the real world is another Matrix?

Ok but since he does not understand how he could stop them and asks the Oracle, why does she not explain that the real is just another Matrix?

Well ok, Temet Nosce, he must know himself, ahh, so he gets now that the real is just a Matrix, why can't he easily beat Bane with his superior martial arts skills?

I can answer that one lol, because it would be like just thinking of flying an airplane for a long time, and then trying to do it. His martial arts skills are all in his head. Sure, I could think and concentrate very hard on doing a complicated kick or whatever, but I would never be able to pull it if, because I have not actually practised it.

I can agree that, just as our world might simply be an illusion created by our own minds, the real world in the movies could be a sort of Matrix, but not a computer generated one. Oh man I better shut up now lol!

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3. When Neo wakes up (first movie) in his pod of goo, why does the sentinel let him go instead of killing him?

I'm guessing that's just what they do, they flush the bad batteries who wake up down the tube. And it is symbolic of birth, going down that tube, being baptized, then lifted up into the bright light.

stopping the sentinels in the "real world" is just the begining of his mind having to let go of this reality. he has not come to full realization yet - the mind has trouble letting go yet again, and he is still just focused on the task at hand - saving zion. The MWM theory would suggest he is still "jacked in" somewhere. Therefore, his mind would not allow him to use his powers. But perhaps at the end of Revolutions, Neo doesn't die... he simply achieves full realization and wakes up from the TRUE matrix...

The Oracle herself is in this MWM... her reality and reasoning stop there as well.


And the sentinel letting Neo get "flushed" out of his pod doesn't make sense due to the fact that sentinels take every chance they have at killing humans in the real world that are not jacked-in. Why would they let him go only to come after him and the rest of humanity later in the films? "We will destroy Zion and the rest of humanity later, but here, you can have him for now"? No. Sentinels search and destroy human life any chance they get. It's what they do.

The sentinel examines Neo closely, then decides... we must let him live, and flushes him - why? Maybe because Neo is humanity's FALSE HOPE that keeps perpetuating this MWM... control. The illusion of choice and hope is control.

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1. "...where we are no longer born - we are GROWN." -in what way? think of the possibilities of ways the machines could engineer humans...

The answer is in the subtext. The only Matrix-within-a-Matrix is the story within the story.

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2. How can people "bend the rules" and do amazing things in the matrix? They have to "free their mind" and simply "believe". Essentially, they have to understand they are inside a computer program. ...People are under the assumption that the "real world" is REAL - and NOT another Matrix - therefore, fantastic and unrealistic things can't and don't happen ... that is until Neo stops the sentinels in the "real world"...

So these believers are believers up to a point? That's what it is? Then Neo should have awakened in the real Real World, instead he was put between worlds in mobil ave.

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3. When Neo wakes up (first movie) in his pod of goo, why does the sentinel let him go instead of killing him?

It wasn't a sentinel.

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human beings always turn to some kind of spiritual/religious answers when a logical scientific explanation cannot be found. The Matrix movies DIRECTLY deal with this. This reasoning is the answer to any question you might have about the Matrix trilogy.

And any question about any movie by extension. But understanding what the Matrix is essentially saying is even better.

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The MWM theory would suggest he is still "jacked in" somewhere. Therefore, his mind would not allow him to use his powers. But perhaps at the end of Revolutions, Neo doesn't die... he simply achieves full realization and wakes up from the TRUE matrix... The Oracle herself is in this MWM... her reality and reasoning stop there as well.

This is assuming "jacking in" explains someone's presence in the mwam. If what yu say is so, he would find Smith waking up right after him. MwaM poses more questions than it answers.

it wasn't a sentinel? ok - (machine to machine): "your job is to flush enlightened/unplugged people down the tube - we'll send other machines to do the killing". That just sounds lame. The sentinel (or whatever it was) took a good look at Neo, and instead of killing him (which it could have easily done) it flushed him.


if anyone has questions about the MWM theory - think about this: why can Neo see any code AT ALL in the supposed "real world"? I'm sorry, but "the One" or not - in reality, when you're blind, you're blind.


"The powers of The One extend beyond this world." Could the Oracle have meant that Neo's "powers" extend beyond this matrix and into another?


The reason we accepted the "real world" in the story of the matrix is because it is very different and real compared to the Matrix. It is old, dark, dirty, destroyed - real. We can identify and compare our reality with that of Zion's and the world it's in (aside from the fact that it takes place in the future of course). But the minute we start seeing supernatural things starting to happen in this supposed "real world" it becomes obvious that it's perhaps not so real after all.

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it wasn't a sentinel? ok - (machine to machine): "your job is to flush enlightened/unplugged people down the tube - we'll send other machines to do the killing". That just sounds lame. The sentinel (or whatever it was) took a good look at Neo, and instead of killing him (which it could have easily done) it flushed him.

Just like (some of) humanity, machines kill for a reason. Think of that machine as a civilian doing its job.

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if anyone has questions about the MWM theory - think about this: why can Neo see any code AT ALL in the supposed "real world"? I'm sorry, but "the One" or not - in reality, when you're blind, you're blind.

When you're sleep, your eyes are closed but you still dream, dontchu? Now where do those images come from?

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Could the Oracle have meant that Neo's "powers" extend beyond this matrix and into another?

She meant that there is a higher explanation for the One's powers than just the "rules of a program" bit by Morph. Otherwise she would not have singled out THE ONE in her statement because it would apply to all, not just "One" person.

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But the minute we start seeing supernatural things starting to happen in this supposed "real world" it becomes obvious that it's perhaps not so real after all.

What's so supernatural about a remote control? LMAO

Edit: 1/11/2007:
A second matrix running might explain the Oracle's and Ne..I mean Thomas Anderson's ability to see the future timeline of another program or such. But then it would need something from the script to support this idea so that it is not shown to be just more far-fetched fanboy speculation.