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Take a look 4 what smith said in the end of figtingting in the revolutions :
Everything that has a beginning has an end, Neo[/].
what ? did i hear'em say (NEO) ...yes , he did , for the frist time he said
what's that means ?
It's means that he's out of contorol or maybe remoted by the Oracle (inside) 'casue in the Realoaded - in the meeting with the oracle -
she said the only way to get into the source is TOGETHER !

Neo: But if you already know, how can I make a choice?
The Oracle: Because you didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it.
You're here to try to understand why you made it. I thought you'd have figured that
out by now.
Neo: Why are you here?
The Oracle: Same reason. I love candy.
Neo: But why help us?
The Oracle: We're all here to do what we're all here to do. I'm interested in one thing,
Neo, the future. And believe me, I know - the only way to get there is [b]together
.

As all here , i'm not sure about my theroy but that what i got and i support the Jesus Story too ..why ?
for this (get it from the web) :
Please understand,...I'm not saying that The Matrix is THE Messiah Movie! But it is A Messiah Movie! And remember that The Matrix was released the weekend of Easter 1999 (and if you don't mind a rhetorical question,....What is it that is celebrated at Easter....?). That release date turns out to be very significant! Please keep that in mind as you consider these points as parallels with the life story of Christ:
(take each two together):

Christ's Life
Christ's Virgin Birth:
Matthew 1:24, 25 - And Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took her as his wife, and kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.

Neo's "Virgin Birth":
Neo is literally born into the real world from the womblike incubator that he's existed in all his life! The imagery in the movie is even symbolic of a birth - from an enclosed sac (complete with several umbilical cords!), down the chute of the birth canal into the world!

What's in a Name?
Matthew 1:23 - "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel", which translated means, "God with us".

Christ was also referred to as:
- the "Son of Man" (see at right and below in "Judas");
- the Christ of God, His Chosen One;
and a host of other names

What's in a Name?
Thomas Anderson - The name "Thomas" can be linked to "Doubting Thomas", in that Neo never really believed that he was The One. "Anderson" is a play on "Son of Man", where the 'Ander-' finds its origins in the New Testament Greek root 'andros' meaning man. Christ was often referred to as the "Son of Man". "Neo" means "new" (And that's exactly WHY Neo was there - to make things "new", to bring about a new world order).
"Neo" Anderson = New Son of Man

The Disciples
Mark 3:14 - And He appointed twelve, that they might be with Him, and that He might send them out to preach.

The Crew
Neo is brought into a group of people that are excited about his presence; that are willing to believe he is "The One".
Tank: "If you ARE (the One),....it's a very exciting time!"

John the Baptist
John 1:29, 30, & 34 - The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! This is He on behalf of whom I said, 'After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me'. And I have seen, and have borne witness that this is the Son of God."

Morpheus
Neo's way was prepared by Morpheus who fervently believed and proclaimed to everyone that Neo was "The One". And the Oracle told Morpheus that HE would be the one to find "The One".
Morpheus: "We've done it, Trinity. We found him."
Trinity: "I hope you're right."
Morpheus: "I don't have to hope. I know it!"

Predicted Coming

Isaiah 7:14 - "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel."

Predicted Coming
Neo's coming was foretold by the Oracle (And we never saw an instance where she missed a prediction! She always knew what was going on!).
Morpheus: "... the Oracle prophesied his return and that his coming would hail the destruction of the Matrix and the war, bring freedom to our people."

The Brothers
Matthew 4:18-20 - ...He saw two brothers, Simon, who was called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea; for they were fishermen. And He said to them, "Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men." And they immediately left the nets, and followed Him.

Tank and Dozer
There are two brothers in this crew on the Nebuchadnezzar. With Jesus, there were 3 sets of brothers among the apostles. The fact that there were siblings in this small group (especially brothers!) makes this noteworthy as a parallel

Judas
Matthew 26:15, 16 - ...and said, "What are you willing to give me to deliver Him up to you?" And they weighed out to him 30 pieces of silver. And from then on he began looking for a good opportunity to betray Him.
Luke 22: 47, 48 - ...and the one called Judas, one of the 12, was preceding them; and he approached Jesus to kiss Him. But Jesus said to him, "Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?"

Cypher
The group is betrayed from within their own group by Cypher. Here, the Christ allegory breaks down somewhat in that Neo is not really the target of the betrayal as Jesus was with Judas (....if the Agents had only known!). The Agents, unaware of Neo's real importance, want Morpheus, and that is the deal Cypher makes - to lead Morpheus and the rest of the group (including Neo) into a trap where Morpheus can be taken. Cypher's "payment": to be reinserted into The Matrix for a "better" life.

Foretelling of Death & Resurrection
Matthew 16:21 - From that time Jesus Christ began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.

Foretelling of Death & Resurrection
Neo's death & resurrection is predicted by the Oracle during Neo's visit. She tells Neo that he has "the gift", but it looks like he's waiting for something. Neo asks, "What?" And the Oracle (very prophetically!) replies, "Your next life, maybe!...."

Sacrifice
Matthew 20:28 - "...just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

Sacrifice

Oracle ( to Neo): "Morpheus believes in you, Neo. And no one, not you, not even me can convince him otherwise. He believes it so blindly that he's going to sacrifice his life to save yours. You're going to have to make a choice....One of you is going to die. Which one will be up to you."

When Neo makes the decision to go "in" to rescue Morpheus, Neo goes with the full knowledge that he will die ("One of you is going to die."). The Zion mainframe codes must be protected at any cost, or humanity is lost. With this act, Neo is, in effect, knowingly sacrificing himself to save the rest of humanity.

Death & Resurrection

Matthew 12:40 - "...for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Luke 24: 4-7 - "...And it happened that while they were perplexed about this, behold, two men suddenly stood near them in dazzling apparel; and as the women were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee. Saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."

Death & Resurrection
Later, Neo IS killed by the authorities (the Agents), and, instead of 3 days, in less than 3 minutes he is resurrected! We know that showing the passing of 3 actual days in this situation would've been impossible, so how did they symbolically represent 3 days? The prevalent screen placement of "303" should alert the sensitivities of any New Testament-savvy audience member who is aware of the numerical significance of the number three in the Gospels. This symbolic visual cue is all the film needs to alert the audience members to the significance of this momentary death.
Now,...what force brought Neo back from the dead? LOVE! The instrument of that love was Trinity (and not necessarily the person as much as what the NAME signifies in Christianity!).

With that in mind, let's look at that resurrection scene....(the) Trinity leans over Neo and kisses him (the proverbial "kiss of life" or "breath of life"!) and Neo awakens! And the first words Neo hears are in the form of a command from (the) Trinity, "Now,....get up!" (Can't you imagine God breathing life back into Jesus, and the first words Jesus hears are God's, "Now,....get up!")

A Greater Power After the Resurrection
Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."

A Greater Power After the Resurrection
After his resurrection, Neo's mastery of the Matrix is total, and the authorities (Agent Smith) are powerless against him.

Radiant Presence
Matthew 17:2 - And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.

Radiant Presence
After he inhabits Agent Smith's body and causes the Agent to explode, Neo is represented as an incandescent figure!

Ascension
Mark 16:19 - So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God

Ascension
At the end of the movie, Neo hangs up a telephone after telling the Artificial Intelligence that this is the beginning of a world with no boundaries and no borders; then he "ascends" into the sky. A very fitting end!

And a couple of other significant Biblical names: Zion, Nebuchadnezzar + the cross shape inside neo's body


What's the story All about ?
It's about Humans Life .The problem is choice. us , are we FREE (to chose or UnderTake) Or we're DRIVEN .
Is neo dead ?
Yes , He's dead to save Zion (his 1st purpose)
Is Matrix Rebotted ?
It Did ..(The black Cat shot)
Is there's a MwM (Matrix Within Matrix)?
no , there's OTHER Matrix (other worlds)
Who's Smith then ?
The peoples SINs
and The french-Man?
The devil Evil or Very Mad
The Architect ?
The GOD !
Will be another Movie(Matrix4)?
I think it'll be a nother Ani-Matrix ...
so...
I'm just here to ask one Question ,,,,
What Is The Matrix ?
Any Comments ,, replay,,Answers ! Shocked : Twisted Evil

.:. EveryThing that has a Beginning , Has an End .:.
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Yes! Did you write that, all by yourself?

Everyone HAS to answer to someone.
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techincally, Smith said he had a gift for Neo and said "neo" at the beginning of reloaded, so this would be at the very least, the 2nd time he has called him Neo.

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He only says "Neo" there, because he knows that his fellow Zionites know him like that.

The second time he says Neo, he is just ignorantly repeating the Oracle's vision of the critical moment for the equation.

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smith calls him Neo because it infact is not smith. As you see later when the smith in the hole dies it is the oracle lying in the hole. So this menas this smith, the one fighting Neo, is the smith that came from the oracle being taken over. But in this moment the oracle takes back over and gives Neo a message. She calls his Neo to let him know it is her talking. She lets him know that he must allow himself to get destroyed my Smith to save Zion.

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well, by calling Neo "Mr. Anderson" throughout the whole trilogy Smith denies the whole "the One" and messiah status for Neo. "Anderson" is translated as "Son of Man" in Nordic Languages and thus that is all Neo is for Smith, "only human". If Smith would actually call him Neo he would grant him the status of the savior of mankind, the powerful being Neo becomes in the end. As Smith posseses the Oracle he can see how it all is going to end but he only sees that certain moment and not the events that occur before and lead to it. Thus as he calls him "Neo" it is both, the Oracle speaking through Smith and the first time Smith himself realizes the status Neo has for mankind and for him. He no longer denies him his purpose (he gives that whole purpose speech in Reloaded but mainly refers to his purpose of killing Neo and Neo's purpose to die "the purpose of life is to end"). By calling him "Neo" Smith and Neo can finally become one again and thus resolve the paradox of choice vs. choicelessness since the battle Neo vs. Smith is exactly the battle between these two ideas.

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It does not correlate.

If the Oracle still has control within Smith then it would not be a 'dangerous game'.

It is Smith himself, ignorantly repeating the Oracle's vision.

He repeats exactly what he saw in this vision. In the Oracle's mind Mr. Anderson is only known as Neo. So that's why he utters Neo instead of Mr. Anderson.

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i see...well, since you know everything and anything i won't fight with you but it does very well correlate. After Smith calls Neo "Neo" the acceptance and change within both of them is complete. Neo says "you were right, you were always right" and Smith finally copies himself back into Neo and so breaks the circle.

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Well I think that I indeed know more than some newbie that comes walking in here and still thinks the Merovingian is a previous human One.

So who's the arrogant bastard now hey?

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Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Well I think that I indeed know more than some newbie that comes walking in here and still thinks the Merovingian is a previous human One.

So who's the arrogant bastard now hey?


Hey, mobil, im no newbie, but i think that i have a good theory about the merovigion being a previous one, but not a human one. And until it is proven wrong im sticking to it. Smile

ps. hey mobil. nearly 2000 bro. thats awsome

"Too know the truth, you must first look past the lie."
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well, it's not hard to get 2000 post mocking everyone with a different opinion than himself, but that's off topic. thanks for calling me newbie but just because i'm new to this board doesn't mean i'm new to the discussion. and Merv being a previous one was on a whole other topic so why don't you stick to the topic mobil and show me proof that Smith is repeating exactly what he has seen in the vision? no that would be asking too much since there is no proof for either theory since the Matrix is wide open for interpretations. that's why i think neither you mobil or me are right or wrong. we just have different points of view and i can prove mine as well as you can prove yours, maybe even with the same arguments but with different interpretations of them. that's the beauty about philosophy.

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Its also what makes philosophy impractical.

But I agree with what you're saying here about the significance of Neo's "hacker alias" (Agent Smith, M1).

Calling him Neo indicates the Oracle's presence just as "cookies need love like everything does" indicated Sati's.

It also was word-play on the part of the Wachowskis, emphasising Neo's role.

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madmax_665 wrote:

well, it's not hard to get 2000 post mocking everyone with a different opinion than himself


Do some research first before your try to insult people.

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well, i am just stating facts.

you have put down everything i said so far rather than showing some "support" as you seem to be so allknowing as the oracle herself.

1. you have mocked EVERY theory of mine. rather than contradicting them you have said "oh come on man", "it does not correlate" and such.

2. you have been calling my assumptions stupid. that is what i call insulting.

3. if you read my previous post carefully and not just the beginning you would have realized i was actually agreeing with your general opinion or "assumption"

but i guess you are really the one who put the "ass" in assumption. now i'm beginning to realize why most posts here are dated a few months back if not even a year.

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well, i am just stating facts.

you have put down everything i said so far rather than showing some "support" as you seem to be so allknowing as the oracle herself.

1. you have mocked EVERY theory of mine. rather than contradicting them you have said "oh come on man", "it does not correlate" and such.

2. you have been calling my assumptions stupid. that is what i call insulting.

3. if you read my previous post carefully and not just the beginning you would have realized i was actually agreeing with your general opinion or "assumption"

but i guess you are really the one who put the "ass" in assumption. now i'm beginning to realize why most posts here are dated a few months back if not even a year.

signing off


Tissue? Try not to take others' posts so personal and explain yourself more. You might find this more effective.

If Mobil_Ave bothers you, NVM him.

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madmax_665 wrote:

you have put down everything i said so far rather than showing some "support" as you seem to be so allknowing as the oracle herself.


If I would be allknowing than I would just post one thread here, sharing the definitive answers for the trilogy.

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1. you have mocked EVERY theory of mine. rather than contradicting them you have said "oh come on man", "it does not correlate" and such.


You just came around the corner. What theories? Just crap about Merv being a previous One.

I'll give you a counter agrument then...

Merv is a program and one of the oldests of them! He is probably older than the Oracle. Persephone confirms this by saying that Cain and Able are from a much older version of the Matrix, suggesting it might be even version 2 (way before the One was introduced).

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2. you have been calling my assumptions stupid. that is what i call insulting.


That's what I call being honest.

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3. if you read my previous post carefully and not just the beginning you would have realized i was actually agreeing with your general opinion or "assumption"


Ah, very wise Smile

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but i guess you are really the one who put the "ass" in assumption. now i'm beginning to realize why most posts here are dated a few months back if not even a year.


I like asses, I can't help it! But unfortunately for you, I only like female asses!

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Aah nice to hear.

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