»God! God! God!«

I have just recently figured something out..

this theory will prove that neo is god..

this goes along with something i was saying earlier, about a picture within the matrix movie..

i earlier stated that within this picture that i see a machine like figure. i would like to go back on what i said and fix it up.

in the m1 movie, as neo is escaping from his office in the beginning. there is a picture situated on the wall of the room where he is about to step outside onto the scaffolding.

in this picture there is a god like figure seemingly within green matrix coding. this godlike figure is looking at a symbol of a white rabbit within the same picture..

i believe that this godlike figure is actually neo chasing the white rabbit. as neo and the picture show that this figure is within the matrix.

so it cant be morpheus. because morpheus is not like a god in the matrix. and a machine cant be because it is not in the matrix at all..

so i would like to announce that my trinity theory is 100% correct..

thankyou

Jezus wat arrogance you have....100% correct.

No-one's theory is!

And your arguments sound kinda lame too!

Neo is god yes, just like you are god.

God is just men's projection of an ideal judgement system and a way to reject one's own responsibility.

The point is that you are god yourself. You make your own choices that affect other people and other people make choices that affect you. So we are all god.

Neo was just a man with a special talent. The real question that mattered was: was he going to utilize his talent in the most fruitfull way possible? Yes he did! Neo took responsibility and he resolved the conflict.

There was no higher god involved, just him, Neo, an individual person --> "because I choose too!" --> God!

ah but mobil you are missing the actual meaning behind the matrix movies..

if you were someone so attached to figuring out the truth.. you would understand what i have been preaching.

you will find that if you put down what your own ideas are about the matrix for just one second. and listen to to another veiwpoint. you may just actually learn something about this puzzle.

if you have not got the hint of what i am trying to teach. then you are not certainly open to any form of truth or free will

i have been were you are. and it was a long time ago. and i am past peicing together such a horrible mess..

understand what i am trying to get you to understand. i am PROVING to you that the first matrix movie proves m2 and m3 wrong.

you will find that the first matrix movie gets you wondering about your own reality. this is something that could very well be a reality in this world..
but then m2 and m3 go and say that the real world could be a matrix within a matrix. and this turns the whole concept into being just a movie and a fun game..

now i think i know what you will be thinking..

you may think that the authors went way too far with the matrix being real concept, so they turned away from such a masterpeice and destroyed it with pure fun, and such genius that noone can figure out

does what the above statement say make sense yet?

you must read between the lies mobil..

There is no spoon!

So there is no real truth about the Matrix movies either.

There is no real proof for either your theories or mine.

All that we have are bits and pieces of information, little facts and a hell of a lot of assumptions.

With these ingredients we try to form theories that suits us well, just like real philosophers try this.

That's exactly the truth about the trilogy: the artifical world has the same 'problem' as the real world today: philosophical theories and their differences. There will never be a 100% agreement about religion and philosophy. So there never be a 100% agreement on the trilogy's theories.

So in that way the brothers made a true masterpiece: a true mirror of humanity's struggle with the definitions of life and spirituality.

They ended the theory with an ultimate conclusion: you, only you, are responsible for your life --> "because I choose to!".

It's about an individual path, an individual choice, an individual responsibility: "Know Thyself".

Now, no more "buts" please...Either reply to this with solid and logical counter arguments or shut the f*ck up.

Your arguments are so vague, that you must be either really crazy or you are just bored and you try to annoy us.

Ahahaha, interesting concept Mobil. Indeed the trilogy is just like a porjective test (example : you show inks stain and the subject must "see" something in it, like a butterfly).

Just like a religion, the Trilogy is incomplete and vague and therefore we'll see in it what we already have inside of us.
As Nietzsche said, "If you look for a long time into an abyss, the abyss afterwards also looks into you inside ... ".

When you search a sense into something that is incompelte, then the lack of information will be filled by the information already present in your own mind.

Finally, if you look at your personal theory, you'll know yourself beter because that theory is the result of how your brain works.

Pretty picture no matter how far off it is.

the reason I stopped posting on this website is because of all the bloody bible touts! Guys if you want to preach the gopspel go elsewhere to do it.

Don't you think that if we wanted religion we would go and find it for ourselves? Give it a rest, this is a Matrix debate forum, not a christian religion forum.

If you want religion try christianforums.com...

otherwise, lets stick to The Matrix ok?

Christianity was not really mentioned in this thread.

At least not by me.

So what's the problem?

And if there are symbols from christianity in the Matrix, I don't see why they may not be discussed.

The W. Brothers called the end of Revolutions the "Jesus thing", so there ARE christian symbols in matrix and thus we can discuss it as much as we want.

Apocryphe wrote:

Ahahaha, interesting concept Mobil. Indeed the trilogy is just like a porjective test (example : you show inks stain and the subject must "see" something in it, like a butterfly). Just like a religion, the Trilogy is incomplete and vague and therefore we'll see in it what we already have inside of us. As Nietzsche said, "If you look for a long time into an abyss, the abyss afterwards also looks into you inside ... ". When you search a sense into something that is incompelte, then the lack of information will be filled by the information already present in your own mind. Finally, if you look at your personal theory, you'll know yourself beter because that theory is the result of how your brain works.

That's a really cool way of putting the trilogy. Thanks for the insight.

you are right mobil the matrix is a test..

you are right about a lot of things mobil.. i will not argue with you on that..

but maybe the matrix is more of a test than you think..

there may actually be a reason why the second 2 movies make the first one look like it is a lie.

mobil i really am not on here to fight with you.. all i am trying to do is open your eyes a bit wider..


you never know..

maybe the movies are trying to distinquish the blue pills from the red pills. and maybe the matrix is actually real..

because mobil i will be honest with you..

i have not actually delved in as far as you have on m2 and m3. but i have in fact investigated m1 a hell of a lot. and i have found alot of stuff that i believe that no one else has..

i did hire out m2 and m3 and the animatrix just recently to have another look..
and i did find that you can look at the trilogy in 2 different ways..
now whichever way you look at it.. it is your choice..
and you and i do have different view points..
so i think it is better if we dont attack each others ideas on this subject..

all i have been trying to do is find someone who is as likeminded as myself on these movies. and i am trying to get people to see that there is more than meets the eye with these movies..

there is actually a deeper thinking involved to all of this..
but whichever way suits you.. that is fine

i dont hate anybody even if they personaly attack me. because i actually do have a very good understanding about this subject.

i am sorry if i sounded nasty before but i will respect you and all others on this forum..

thankyou

I agree to your arguement of being able too disscuss symbols and things we see in the movies MOBIL.

I just actually realized that in the end of revoloutions, The machines lay him down and NEO has his arms out as if he was laying on a cross. He clearly was imitating Christ, just as Jesus was judged by god for our sins, NEO was judged by the architect for Zions sins ( the ppl that reject his creation ) So NEO died for Zions sins and will be ressurected by the next anomaly. The Brothers obvioulsy used Jesus as the symbol for NEO. ( as seen in reloaded )

There is no answer for the meanings of the trilogy, it will always be about how you see it, there is no answer just like there is no spoon. There are so many holes and symbols no one can be 100% correct it is all about how we perceive the movies and what we believe is true. Everybodys right, its our choice.

everybody can think what they want to think about the matrix...

but my actual understanding of the crucifixion is..

at the end of the first movie,which was released at easter. neo who symbolises jesus christ. gets crucified by agent smith.. now my idea is, is that agent smith is like a roman. he is part of a powerful empire. and the romans did crucify jesus christ..

now on easter, which was when the matrix was released. neo gets crucified by smith. then he rises again.
and at the end of the movie neo flies up towards the sky..

now the bible says that after jesus's ressurection jesus flies towards the sky to heaven..

but m3 says that jesus was crucified at the end of the trilogy..

so what is your understanding?

loudbark wrote:

There is no answer for the meanings of the trilogy, it will always be about how you see it, there is no answer just like there is no spoon. There are so many holes and symbols no one can be 100% correct it is all about how we perceive the movies and what we believe is true. Everybodys right, its our choice.

There are 2 types of matrix fans:

1. Those who believe the movie is actually communicating a message about what's going on and who want to find out what it is (red - be shown how deep the rabbit hole goes)

2. Those who believe as above, that there is no point, no truth, believe whatever you want to believe about it (blue - believe whatever...)

but how does everybody know if they are making their own choices or not?

because the people who are actually in a matrix dont know. but they do feel that they are free..

there is actually no such thing as free will in this world.
birth
school
work
retirement
death

now those are not choices.

i dont know where people get the notion that they can make their own choices.

Most events are indeed not chosen.

But a human can choose to step out of the cause-and-effect-chain.

You can choose to resist your materialistic needs, which ultimately is about craving money, power and sex.

If you don't choose to resist them, then you are a slave to the cause-and-effect-mechanism and you will be a prisoner of your own mind.