»The Architect vs the Anomaly (Behold! The Nightmare)«

The story/plot explanation
by intell from the old (WB) mxo boards

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The Architect - Hello, Neo. Neo - Who are you? The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

Neo is definitely human. The word, “irrevocably” means that this is not a fact that can be changed. So, enough of that Neo-is-a-program stuff!

While the reason why Neo is here may be the most pressing question in HIS mind related to the matter at hand (pertinent), the relevant issue as stated later far outweighs this in importance – the fate of every human being is to be determined right here, right now. This is why Arc, starting from the beginning, develops this more relevant theme while not (yet) answering Neo’s next question (not just too test how quick Neo is):

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Neo - Why am I here? The Architect - Your life is the sum of the remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control; which has led you, inexorably…here

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The programming of the Matrix has a flaw, an unbalanced equation that eventually involves Neo(‘s life). To understand the above, there needs to be an accurate interpretation of what the ‘unbalanced equation’ is, what unbalances it, and what the anomaly represents.

In my opinion, it involves the non-acceptance by those who choose to leave the Matrix. Then I could get into how Neo’s life can be given in behalf of all (sum) of the remainder…and so forth but I know we’ll get into that later on.

Some examine this speech from purely computer programming perspective and others may see it as metaphorical. The whole conversation may be one of those areas that have “multiple meanings” as the W’s put it. I guess where this conversation is taking place would be most significant.

At any rate something is happening that either came to involve Neo or involved him from the beginning. Whatever it is, apparently it is not desired by the Arc, but unavoidable and, for the same reason, able to be predicted and thus something he can get ready for. So he has put some things in place to lead Neo here. But what? And to what end? We continue…

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Neo - You haven't answered my question. The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others. *The responses on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"* The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version. *Again, the responses on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bullsh**."* Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows. The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations. *Once again, the responses on the monitors: "You can't control me! F**k you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!* Neo - Choice. The problem is choice. *The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room*

Now we have another revelation as to when the story takes place. Not a definite one but enough to sufficiently say it is a bit farther in the future than Morpheus said it was in M1. It is interesting to note that the emergence of this recurring anomaly affects the system (matrix) and is so regular that the passage of time can be measured by it and so important that time is counted in conjunction with the event rather than the calendar year (trips around the sun the earth makes)

Now it seems that the events leading up to this point are not unique and that this has happened before. Remember the lyrics to the song playing in Neo’s headphones while he was sleeping before his monitor? I believe Neo’s uniqueness still comes through with the ‘quicker than the others’ comment. And did I mention earlier that the choice to leave the matrix has something to do with properly identifying the anomaly? Now Arc explains how choice has come to be ‘the problem’ (at least to him).

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The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother. Neo - The Oracle.

Arc and the machines designed the first matrix program apparently thought that a perfect world ‘without suffering’ would be accepted. “Surrender your flesh and a new world awaits you.”(Sec-Ren) When it wasn’t, they thought that one based on human history (1999) should be one that humans would relate to. “… but I believe humanity as a species defines its reality through misery and suffering.” Having failed in that, the Oracle becomes involved* (how and in what role is a matter of debate but SHOULD be addressed in the course of this discussion). She predates the Matrix. But just how far back were they interested in ‘investigating the human psyche’ and why? The point is, she existed before the Matrix so like Morph said, “She is very old”. The disdain Arc feels for her comes out in his words, like “stumbled” and “lesser mind”.

*a side point is – notice I didn’t say as I have done in the past and others still do, that there were 3 matrices. I believe this is the second one and submit this as support: Smith skips any mention of a second Matrix before this one where the movies pick up in his conversation with Morpheus in M1, saying that it (perfect world) was “redesigned to this: the peak or YOUR civilization.” and while the Arc says he redesigned it and again was met with failure, he never says that redesigning it again was necessary but that Oracle came up with the solution that follows. The important thing to really ponder is why the machines didn’t re-create the perfect world as a setting for choice to accept or refuse the program and that can get your noodle baking!

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The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly that, if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster. Neo - This is about Zion. The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

The choice, simply, is to accept this interactive program as reality or exchange it for what is actually real. Before this, no one could leave the Matrix unless you consider dying leaving. Humans, though asleep in the pods / “near unconscious” are somehow aware of what’s at stake and ironically accept the program rather than leave although at first they would rather die than accept it before. This, of course seems “otherwise contradictory”! ‘…so hopelessly inured they would rather die defending it.’ But this creates a problem. It works in that more people stay in but 1% choose to connect with what is real (big flaw!) and they multiply outside (like a virus, remember? “escalating”) Of course, this is not good for the machines hence the war between them. They need Zion to exist but cannot be allowed to do so indefinitely.

Now at last “why am I here” is answered in the Architect’s last statement above.

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Neo – Bullsh**. *The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bullsh**!"* The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it. *Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.* The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race. Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive. The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

Why rebuild? People in the Matrix would be aware of the choice being taken away from them if they don’t allow people to leave and live. Somehow. (Intuition - mentioned in Sec-Ren and in connection with the Oracle who found this solution.) Now what about the “cataclysmic system crash”? Did he have Smith in mind? Well perhaps, but I think it involves the fact that Zion is soon to go bye-bye, if Neo doesn’t go through the selection of the people to repopulate the place, we’re back to the no-choice-but-death scenario that didn’t work in the first place and resulted in the loss of so many crops. Architect speaking for the machines indicates that if it happens again, to hell with that whole energy source!

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*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors* The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love. *Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors* Neo - Trinity.

In other words, the last five times someone in the role of ‘The One’ appeared, the Architect used their attachment to humanity – their main motive – to cause them to do what Neo was being encouraged (threatened?) to do. But what does “dissemination of the code you carry” mean? We’ll get to that later, I’m sure. But Neo is in “Love” (Rama can “see” it and Persephone said it was ‘written all over’ him). Something different is going on now!

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The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own… Neo - No! The Architect - …Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the Source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

Translation: Now, for the part when choice is expressed and the rebellion is revealed to be the beginning and the end. (RainKing)

Interpretation: Introduction of choice started this anomaly (“rebellion” against, refusal to accept, or desire to leave the system/matrix) and this bleak choice set before Neo will mean the end of everyone regardless of what their choice is (left) or at least all those ‘rebelling’ as Rain ‘so adequately put it. But uh oh! There is more rebellion coming. Neo is now even rebelling against this system of keeping things in check. What the heck is he doing? “I know…it looks like but I believe in something” (Neo, M1) “He’s beginning to believe.” (Morph, M1) The Revolution begins!

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*Neo walks to the door on his left* The Architect - Hmph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness. Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again. The Architect - We won't.

SEE RainKing’s elaboration on the Arc’s words on Hope in the following post. I think he puts it best.

The real world application
by RainKing - same forum

While I dedicate this thread to truth seekers everywhere, I want you to know that this is a mind-control project to
recruit you to a certain side. Therefore, defending one side over the others and a continuation of the nightmare lovely known as the Matrix. In other words, if you've asked yourself, "How in the hell do some wars start?" Well, if you're a fan, you've been a part of it since '99. Or, should I say, "Defending a certain side from it."

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Architect: Hello, Neo. Neo: Who are you? Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and though the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant

Translation: I've been waiting for you Neo because I lead you here. Although your messiah training his made it easier for you to understand our inner workings, but you are not Illuminati. So, some of my answers you will understand and some you will not. So, the question you're about ask has been asked before in previous versions. It's really irrelevant because you didn't get here on your own volition.

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Neo: Why am I here? Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which, despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably... here.

Translation: Your life has become a part of the Matrix that I couldn't fix. You are now the outcome of this problem.

(For some Illuminati, they handle their problems based on the numbers involved...be that people, dates, or money...there's more to this, but I'm not going to go further into it...Did you know that some people believe that Reloaded release date was one of the alternatives for the last day on the Mayan Calendar...but one thing we know for sure is it was 5/555/5). It becomes painstakingly clear in this movie that the philosophy that everyone loves so...is just an expression of the mythology behind the philosophy.

The Architect has the Matrix (the world meant to blind you from the truth) locked into a number system. However, humans don't function that way. They do things that don't make numeric sense. Hence, the TVs trying to predict what Neo (a human) would say. They've gotten good at it though, they know it's coming so they can prepare for him. (The reason why everyone is expecting Neo). So, the plan has brought him to the Architect's room.

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Neo: You haven't answered my question. Architect: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others. TV Neos: Others? How many others? What others? Answer my question!

Translation: True. He didn't answer the question as to why he is in the Matrix? He answered the question as to how he got in the room. It also sucker punches with the AI, which I've previously explained.

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Architect: The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.

Translation: Pretty straight forward. Another mention of the anomaly and foreshadowing that this Neo isn't the first messiah to step into the matrix.

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TV Neos:5 `One's before me? 4 3 2 What are you talking about? Neo:There are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.

Translation: Watch the TVs trying to predict what his answer would be. And, yes, there are only two explanations. If he were to go to the machines/programs and ask them questions, they wouldn't answer him. If you noticed, Merv did the same, but at least he asked. The Zionists when asked questions don't have a clue i.e. they don't know (although I suspect there are people on the council that do...a small blurb from Locke gives the impression that he knows a good deal of what is happening).

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Architect: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic - creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations. TV Neos: You can't control me! I'm gonna smash you to bits! I'll fuckin' kill you! Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.

Translation: In this part and like other parts, the answer to what they're talking about is at the end of the paragraph

(if you will), the problem is choice. The anomaly is not choice, though. Choice actually goes by the numbers. For
instance, if I say to you, "You have a choice between 1,2,3,4." You're still within a system of probability and somewhere along the lines, your actions will be predictable. But, more importantly, there's a probability that you won't pick the correct answer. There goes your mathematical harmony. This is what the Arch doesn't like about humans. The Arch then steps back to explain the problem.

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Architect: The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art - flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another - an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother. Neo: The Oracle.

Translation: A perfect world for someone enthralled by numbers is one in which you can make the parts bigger than the whole by sacrificing the needs of the parts. Of course, this means sacrificing your wants, for something that's larger than themselves. But, some people express the need to get more than what they need or have worked for, they don't want their lives rationed out to them for the other world It's inherent in all of us. So, the architect hired someone else to figure this out. How is it that some people are just overwhelmed with generating their own outcomes and some are not?

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Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster. Neo: This is about Zion.

Translation: Please means "Yeah, right. She's not an Oracle dummy, she's the puppetmaster and you're the puppet. The Oracle is only the role she plays to accomplish her plan/program." She found that giving people a choice is more than enough.

Ok, here's where it gets tricky. 99% of the people accept the matrix, so the idea of choice works. Choice is fundamentally flawed as a control because you can choose to do none of the above then if someone increases your awareness of an alternative, you may choose the the alternative merely because it's closer to your needs than all the original choices. Take a good luck at Thomas. He's a overly-talented guy who sits around and does nothing because he thinks there's nothing to do. He goes to an S&M club and sits to the side, but some weirdo gives him a call on the cellphone and in two secs. he's out of his seat. So, back to our first example: 1,2,3,4. Don't choose any of them. What are you now? You're a rebel and anarchist. When something like that happens it is called an outlier or an anomaly. So, 1% of
the Matrix population leave the Matrix and become outliers. If either this idea of choice or these dissenters of the Matrix were get out of hand, they'll destroy the Matrix.

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Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed - its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated. Neo: ********. TV Neos: ********!

Translation: The Arch knows that to fulfill the Oracle's plan, Neo must die. He must become a martyr. This will lead Zion to fight. (sound familiar) Therefore, it doesn't look like the Machines came to attack them for no particular reason. Earlier, Morpheus just watched him go through the door. He doesn't know what's on the other end so if Neo doesn't come back; he'll assume he was dead. Keep reading.

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Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses, but rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

Translation: Apparently, the AI finally got one right. So, this will be the 6th messiah to die. Remember, the war is going to happen with or without Neos help. The Illuminati can only control people if do not people know they're being controlled, that is unless the go rogue. Which should answer most Smith questions.

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Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which, you will be required to select from the Matrix 23 individuals - 16 female, 7 male - to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix, which, coupled with the extermination of Zion, will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race. Neo: You won't let it happen. You can't. You need human beings to survive.

Translation: The function of the one is now to kill yourself...to die. This will allow us to start the program over.

However, we'll need you to free 23 people to start the game over again. Not only is the game loaded, but they ask you to reload it. (Remember, Morpheus' man born in the Matrix..set us free story). So, who else would be better to teach those how to be an anarchists? I'm sure those of you who are familiar with numbers have picked up on some of this stuff already.

OK. So, if he doesn't go along with this, Zion gets smashed, and the people in the Matrix will stop accepting the program because there's no alternative choice for them to take. This will cause a chain reaction that would eventually cause people to wake up on their own. This is ok, if there's someone there to pick you up, but if not, you jump of the building, wake up, and you and a bunch of other people are sitting in the real world sewers...homeless(Think Kid's Story)

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Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility of the death of every human being on this world. It is interesting, reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were, by design, based on a similar predication - a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific - vis a vis love. Neo: Trinity.

Translation: So, some Illuminati believe that there's a certain balance to this planet. The number of the people on the planet shouldn't pass a certain number and shouldn't go too low. Notice how some people are fighting against abortion.

They hit you with the little babies argument, but what it really is...is they want to keep certain levels in balance so a there's a certain amount of representation of certain bloodlines and too ensure that there are jobs for those people. Do you think it's an accident that China has a policy against certain amount of births. It's not just a male/female thing...it's a balance thing.

Here, the Architect adds an interesting tidbit to segue to Trinity. He repeats that there have been other Messiahs and normally, they take a liking to all of humanity (in a general way). But, the Messiah of this age, went a step further, he fell in love of the idea of the Trinity (which is mythological...someone found in the matrix...see Detective's story) which is weird for a person who's supposedly THE representation of opposition to the matrix.

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Architect: Apropos, she entered the Matrix to save your life, at the cost of her own. Neo: No.

Translation: They know Trinity's going to die but they don't know where or when.

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Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the Source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads back to the Matrix, to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don't we? Already, I can see the chain reaction - the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason - an emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth. She is going to die, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Architect: Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness. If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again. Architect: We won't.

Translation: Now, for the part when choice is expressed and the rebellion is revealed to be the beginning and the end.

To you left (which mean sinister...awkward) go to the matrix and kill everyone. To your right (adroit, skillful...droit..law), help to kill off Zion and you die and begin Zion all over again. He heads back into the matrix to save the Trinity. Hope is our greatest strength because it keeps us going when the cards are stacked against...it is our greatest weakness because it keeps us believing that we need to keep going when the cards are stacked against us. The fight at the end of Revs is an expression of hope for both sides.

so may you come with your own knives
you'll never take me alive
with all the force of what is true
is there nothing i can do?

i can't go on, digging roses from you grave
to linger on, beyond the beyond
where the willows weep
and whirlpools sleep, you'll find me

and the night mare rides on, and the night mare rides on
with a december black psalm
and the night mare rides on

-BCorgan

intell wrote:

Remember the lyrics to the song playing in Neo’s headphones while he was sleeping before his monitor?

By all means if anyone knows the name/artist to this song, post up. I've been searching for it for a while now.

Intell,

Before this thread goes any further, I just wanted to let you know that there's already an existing thread that is dealing with this very subject. However, the postings from this thread apply, so if you could re-post them there...

Alright Feral, there's alot to catch up on in that thread. But I'll do it. But first Feral. You must do something for ME.

Let RainKing know what I have just done and that I do intend to join you all on the sony forums soon. RainKing probably is unaware that all that data in this thread still exists but I have it...every letter of it.

And thank you for letting me know about the other thread just as I did for you a couple weeks back. One good turn deserves another, yes? no?

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Alright Feral, there's alot to catch up on in that thread. But I'll do it.

Sorry about that, but I really, really, really, really, really appreciate it. I'm tired of racking my brain trying to figure this stuff out and I'd like to put it to rest. I have times where I'm not thinking about this subject, but ultimately it's like a puzzle that you can't put down or leave alone for too long. Your input will be greatly appreciated. And if there's a flaw that you see at some earlier point in the thread that we all missed, we'll gladly go back and deal with it. We just want to be thorough.

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But first Feral. You must do something for ME.

You got it.

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Let RainKing know what I have just done and that I do intend to join you all on the sony forums soon.

Done! I posted on one of the forums that he's responded to recently more than once, hoping that this would be sufficient. I thought about sending him a private message, but I wasn't sure if he'd see that he got one. If we don't see or hear from him soon, I'll just try it again.

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RainKing probably is unaware that all that data in this thread still exists but I have it...every letter of it.

I let him know that, and I also gave him links to both this thread and the other one that are currently going on in this forum.

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And thank you for letting me know about the other thread just as I did for you a couple weeks back.

You are most assuredly welcome.

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One good turn deserves another, yes? no?

That would be a "yes."

too long.. sum it up

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If we don't see or hear from him soon, I'll just try it again.

No. That's good enough. He will see it.

Now I owe you. So I will deliver.

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Now I owe you. So I will deliver.

Nah, we're even now. However, if believing that you owe me causes you to post your opinion in great heaping amounts, then you just keep right on believing it! This forum prospers when there is a multiplicity of opinions so that we can all be as informed as possible.

Multiplicity is great, for it accustoms those involved with differing viewpoints.

However, majority views can distort logis especially when, as you mentioned, some become rooted in their own beliefs and resistent to the possibility of others.

Good to see you Loctavious and Feral...That's the first time someone wanted me to talk alot. I'll do it.

Good to be .... somewhere. It was abrupt though we knew it was coming, wasn't it. "Their on their own for now, just like us"

it may take me a bit to ... accustom myself to these new .... parameters but i look forward to the times to come.

i reallt didn't post here alot i guess because of the format - i think i became way too accustomed to the other boards. Creature of habit .... with the ability to think.

What causes more speculation than anything I know is the different definitions people give to the following.

1. The Anomaly
2. The One/The eventuality of the anomaly
3. The 1%
4. Zion
5. The 'fundamental flaw' in the matrix

There needs to be a meeting of the minds between the W's and the posters for one to really get the point here.

Enjoy!

I think for now, it's all on us. Until some sort of false movement arises - that is a grotesque distortion of the INTENT of the Triology. If too many misinterpreted it enough - i think they'd be forced to either release " Matrix6.0 for Dummies"

or an official "No freaks - that's not right" until then - we're left alone to wade chin deep in speculations.

Loct... wrote:

If too many misinterpreted it enough - i think they'd be forced to either release " Matrix6.0 for Dummies"

That might be in the planning stage already. lol.

intell wrote:

What causes more speculation than anything I know is the different definitions people give to the following. 1. The Anomaly 2. The One/The eventuality of the anomaly 3. The 1% 4. Zion 5. The 'fundamental flaw' in the matrix There needs to be a meeting of the minds between the W's and the posters for one to really get the point here. Enjoy!

Honestly, I think that the W's wrote quite a bit of Reloaded/Revolutions in a stream of conscious manner. I don't think that they necessarily know all these answers themselves. Could be wrong though!

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I don't think that they necessarily know all these answers themselves.

Uh oh. If I believed that, I wouldn't have asked.

intell wrote:

Quote: I don't think that they necessarily know all these answers themselves. Uh oh. If I believed that, I wouldn't have asked.

Hey, I could be totally wrong. It's just my instinct as a long time editor/writer. M2/M3 really have the smell of stream of conscious all over them. I've complained of that for a long time though.

I've read a lot of sci-fi novels/stories that I've found in slush piles, workshopped, or were turned in to me as assignments. And very often they use references to all the philosophy, mythology, and science the author has run across in articles in Wired or one of their other classes. All these stories have a certain feel that M2/M3 definitely exude. Of course sometimes someone actually gets one of these stories to stick. And then you have a zeitgeist on your hands.

Funny how that works

That may very well be. But I'm sure they know the answers to that which I ask above. In fact, they are key to understanding what the trilogy was all about. This is the bridge between the plot and the subtext.

Without a proper understanding of what the Architect is talking about, any theories arising are almost predestined to be FUBAR.

intell wrote:

That may very well be. But I'm sure they know the answers to that which I ask above. In fact, they are key to understanding what the trilogy was all about. This is the bridge between the plot and the subtext. Without a proper understanding of what the Architect is talking about, any theories arising are almost predestined to be FUBAR.

I'm sure someone does. I'm just not so sure its the W's.

They wrote the speech, did they not?

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while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

Interestingly Webster's says that relevant is a synonym for pertinent. So how can a question be pertinent and irrelevant? Pertinent to Neo but irrelevant to the BIG PICTURE? But Neo ends up creating a BIGGER PICTURE than the Architect saw.

psikey

intell wrote:

They wrote the speech, did they not?

Writing something and understanding it are two very different things...

We've talked about Star Wars Episode III a couple times, have you watched any of the special features on that? There is a piece about the creation of General Grievous. Lucas had already written the script, but he had no visual concept nor any real back story for the General. They weren't issues that concerned him. So he had a team come up with a look and history for the General.

I'm not saying the W's are as bad off as Lucas. Just that, from experience, I've learned it is possible to put a whole lot of ideas together and have them work to a degree without understanding what all of them are or mean.

psikeyhackr wrote:

Interestingly Webster's says that relevant is a synonym for pertinent. So how can a question be pertinent and irrelevant?

That speech is riddled with these sorts of troubles. You can use them to create awesome Matrix ideas (which is my preference) or you can concurrently realize the truth... the W's didn't edit it nearly well enough!