»My theory as to why nothing was really resolved«

The matrix still exists. They sky is still darkened. The humans have zero leverage since neo died. Status quo was maintained, which is what the machines wanted. Why? One answer - Matrix Online. If WB (R) had done what everyone expected and resolved the plot, there wouldn't be a story line for the matrix online game. Now all bow down and worship the mighty $.

This is the KEY to your perceived problem.
Listen to the last scene between the Oracle and the Architect.
It means, the machines follow a logical path. They will keep their word because they're 'not human'.
There will be peace as long as the humans wish it.
The machines still have the matrix and will ONLY release those who wish it. Therefore, the machines keep their power source, the humans keep Zion.
Looks like happy co-existence to me.

Also, about the leverage part. There will always be a 'Neo' that will appear every now and then because the Matrix is not perfect.
Now, if you understood the Movie and why Neo existed, and why something like him keeps coming back, wou'd stop having this silly conspiracy ideas.

Nicely said!

roborat wrote:

Looks like happy co-existence to me.

Happy coexistence would be if they were equals. The machines can swat the humans any time they like.

roborat wrote:

There will always be a 'Neo' that will appear every now and then because the Matrix is not perfect.

So what? There's no One now, and it will probably be about another 100 years before the neo-One (hee hee) appears.

roborat wrote:

stop having this silly conspiracy ideas.

I don't think it's silly. I find it perfectly reasonable that either Brothers (either Wachowski or Warner) made sure that the Matrix was still in operation at the conclusion of the series. They are running a business, after all.

Machaira wrote:

The matrix still exists. They sky is still darkened. The humans have zero leverage since neo died. Status quo was maintained, which is what the machines wanted. Why? One answer - Matrix Online. If WB (R) had done what everyone expected and resolved the plot, there wouldn't be a story line for the matrix online game. Now all bow down and worship the mighty $.

Roborat - nice comments.

Machaira - status quo was definitely not maintained at the end of Revolutions. But, the story (i.e., the world) goes on. Can you name a sotry that can't be continued after the "end?" Some shouldn't. I hope that there are no more movies for this series (look what happened to Star Wars), but other offshoots that explore the rest of the story possiblities seem ok to me. I'll stick with the trilogy, Animatrix and EtMatrix as the "story" for me.

TRS

roborat wrote:

This is the KEY to your perceived problem.

There is actually no problem to the author of this thread. All he is saying is that the W's are not the inspired story tellers that a couple of thousands of people believed they were until M2 or should i say M1. They have a business and 2 big bosses (Warner Bros and Village Roadshow) to answer to if the market does not buy their product. From the start of the Trilogy everybody saw a spoon including me! (an epic story that would have some phylosophical meaning), where actually there was no spoon! It was just a movie with a big big HIT, which could not escape from the laws of the market, since too many people started to get very interest for it! For the record roborat, I agree with everything you mentioned about the story.

roborat wrote:

This is the KEY to your perceived problem. Listen to the last scene between the Oracle and the Architect. It means, the machines follow a logical path. They will keep their word because they're 'not human'. There will be peace as long as the humans wish it. The machines still have the matrix and will ONLY release those who wish it. Therefore, the machines keep their power source, the humans keep Zion. Looks like happy co-existence to me. Also, about the leverage part. There will always be a 'Neo' that will appear every now and then because the Matrix is not perfect. Now, if you understood the Movie and why Neo existed, and why something like him keeps coming back, wou'd stop having this silly conspiracy ideas.

Amen, brother roborat.. Keep on preaching

What if the trigger for the One to show is a "smith".
Anybody?
please

roborat wrote:

Now, if you understood the Movie and why Neo existed, and why something like him keeps coming back, wou'd stop having this silly conspiracy ideas.

This is not conspiracy. The whole Matrix thing is about money. Come on, it's Hollywood! And those things like "If you to not agree with my opinion then you just don't unterstand the movies" are really lame and nothing else.

One reason for having this open end, for sure, is money. And there is nothing bad about open ends! They inspire your imagination. The problem about the third Matix movie is not, that it has an open end. The problem is, that it really explains nothing and just collapses back upon itself, leaving the audience alone. There is a huge difference between explaining what is happening in a movie and an open end! Both can the achieved at the same time!

@Machaira and the topic:
The situation has changes significantly! At the beginning of the first movie, all humans where slaves and the ones who woke up and left the matrix where killed. There was no peace between humans and machines.

At the end of the third movie, the humans in the power plants are still there, but they are no slaves any more in the sense they were slaves at the beginning of the first movie. If they want to leave the Matrix they can leave it now. They are no longer chased and killed by the machines. There is now peace! That is a huge difference.

BTW: Freeing all the people in the power plant would not make any sense and would not help those people. In the 'Real World' , it would be impossible to feed them and care for them. Where should they go to? Earth is nothing more than a clouded desert. Freeing everybody would cause more harm then it would do good to those people...

Zaa Nayazu wrote:

What if the trigger for the One to show is a "smith".

I don't think so. The trigger for the One-thing to happen is that the sum of the remainders (caused by the disurbances because of choice) in the equations of the Matrix have reached a certain level. This also means, that now there are enough people gathered in Zion to make destoying Zion efficient.

starcrow wrote:

I don't think so. The trigger for the One-thing to happen is that the sum of the remainders (caused by the disurbances because of choice) in the equations of the Matrix have reached a certain level. This also means, that now there are enough people gathered in Zion to make destoying Zion efficient.

The remainder is already summed up when the One (Neo) is born into the Matrix, because the Architect says "your life is the sum" and he does not say "you are the sum" or "you carry the sum".

Smith is part of the meisure of control initiated by both the Architect and the Oracle. Smith is a natural reaction of the system forcing the One to make a choice.

The Prophecy is just interpreted differently by the Architect and the Oracle. For the Architect it is solely a meisure of control, for the Oracle it has a deeper meaning.

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The trigger for the One-thing to happen is that the sum of the remainders (caused by the disurbances because of choice) in the equations of the Matrix have reached a certain level

To relate that to the quote "your life is the sum" and how I explain that quote is like this:

Every time the matrix got restarted (prime program being reinserted), the sum of the remainder is zero. While the Matrix goes on, more equation get unbalanced, = more remainders that are not handled = more people reject the matrix and unplug.

Now every redpill goes to see the Oracle (or at least the important ones, so make that ...)

Most redpills go to see the Oracle, and she collects somehow all of it.

Now, the 'your life is the sum of ...' : I see it as Neo (and any other bleupill in the matrix with a splinter in his mind) gathering information in his 'code' (= brain of a bleupill).

When you come in contact with weird stuff (glitches in the matrix, other redpills, and above all, the Oracle) this adds up to the 'sum of the remainder...'

Now how much you gather is dependent on each individual and Neo's mind is in this aspect special (Neo's neurokinetics are way above normal, = before Neo ever sees the Oracle).

So when you visit the Oracle, this adds up dramaticly to 'your' sum (of remainder...). And the more special you are (your brain is), the more it adds up. Whether or not the Oracle puts extra thing and stuff in your brain (with the cookies and candie), is not that relevant.


What I'm trying to say is, you need to have the gift, so that the Oracle can put something in you (guide you to the path of the One.

The path of the One is not restricted to one person (in this case : Neo), but to walk the pad, you need special abilities (like Neo),

In the end, its yourself that makes you the One, with the help of others off course

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

starcrow wrote: I don't think so. The trigger for the One-thing to happen is that the sum of the remainders (caused by the disurbances because of choice) in the equations of the Matrix have reached a certain level. This also means, that now there are enough people gathered in Zion to make destoying Zion efficient. The remainder is already summed up when the One (Neo) is born into the Matrix, because the Architect says "your life is the sum" and he does not say "you are the sum" or "you carry the sum".

I see it different, as I explained here: matrix-explained.com...

Haha me too...see the same link!