»Philosophical perspective«

There is a popular philosophical perspective that pretty much debates whether life and reality are real.
I mean, the only reason we believe something is real is because we use our senses to perceive it. We see it, smell it, touch it, "sense" or feel it, hear it, taste it, etc.
But just because we sense something doesn't mean it's actually there?
Who is to say that what you see is any more real than what someone else sees? What makes hallucinations fake and what we see from day to day real?
Maybe life isn't real. It's just a fabrication of our brain. We can be somewhere else, something else entirely. We just think we see perceive these things.

Looking at it this way. "The Matrix" was a matrix made by the machine world, but Zion is another matrix that already exists. Real life is a matrix.

avolitionist wrote:

There is a popular philosophical perspective that pretty much debates whether life and reality are real. I mean, the only reason we believe something is real is because we use our senses to perceive it. We see it, smell it, touch it, "sense" or feel it, hear it, taste it, etc.

Sounds like you're describing Plato's theory of forms.

At this point, one could wonder what being real is ? If think that was the point of the whole trilogy, the matrix is virtual because made of electricity organized like a real structure.

But we can say the same for the atoms and particles wich form our worlds, and the same for the energy that form these particles, etc. Where does a concept become real ?

What appeared to be real and become more real as the story progressed was FEEL. Neo Felt his way to the source. Agreed? Gnosis, inner perception, intuition, spirit, whatever you wanner call it. And it was at that point Real seemed to be identified… at the end.. where the Path culminated/climaxed. He awoke from illusion, experienced many more, so to speak and when ready, reached his goal.

So I guess the real question for each of us is what do we feel about life, deep inside, because "head" knowledge will only leave us with a limited amount of information. Feeling is what Drives us and IS described as a question by Trinity needing to be answered at the beginning and reiterated in many ways, not least C. Hamman’s reason for things being even though we may not understand.


So perhaps the question is not so much the "meaning" of life explaining its reality’s, but the feeling of life, leading to its reality, an experience.

What we feel, balanced with reason, may be more important than what we can prove or figure out, because so many of us feel the same things…

Its out there and is looking for you and will find you if you want it to.

What say u? Return to Source?

Inevitability wrote:

What appeared to be real and become more real as the story progressed was FEEL. Neo Felt his way to the source. Agreed?

In other words, It's the connection.
What is real? Infinite love is, everything else isn't.
Peace.

7one wrote:

What is real? Infinite love is, everything else isn't.

How about everything else IS real, but it's not the ultimate reality?

The Matrix movies illustrate this quite good:
There are several levels of reality, of which - simplified - two (Matrix and Zion) are partial realities, and one (the world of light) is the ultimate reality.

Inev,
I agree with your post, but I believe in the end it all boils down to... consciousness. Gnosis is knowledge!

Inevitability wrote:

What we feel, balanced with reason

Exactly! -> Gnosis

tozy wrote:

How about everything else IS real, but it's not the ultimate reality?

But the other question is, what is the ultimate reality? What makes things real?
It's inevitably all in our head, which is the sad truth many can't accept.
Peace.

7one wrote:

tozy wrote: How about everything else IS real, but it's not the ultimate reality? But the other question is, what is the ultimate reality? What makes things real?

Well, according to the trilogy, the ultimate reality behind the world of things and thoughts is.... the world of light.

This concept can be illustrated by a quote from the sufi mystic Aziz Nasafi:
“The spiritual world is one single spirit who stands like unto a light behind the bodily world and who, when any single creature comes into being, shine through it like a window. According to the kind or size of the window less or more light enters the world. The light itself however remains unchanged”

or else:

“What is a human being? A body? Certainly, but anything else? A personality that includes mind, memories, and propensities that have derived from a unique trajectory of life-experiences? This, too, but anything more? Some say no, but Hinduism disagrees.
Underlying the human self and animating it is a reservoir of being that never dies, is never exhausted, and is unrestricted in consciousness and bliss. This infinite centre of every life, this hidden self or Atman, is no less than Brahman, the Godhead. Body, personality and Atman_Brahman – a human self is not completely accounted for until all three are noted.

But if this is true and we really are infinite in our being, why is this not apparent? Why do we not act accordingly? “I don’t feel particularly unlimited today,” one may be prompted to observe. “And my neighbour – I haven’t noticed his behaviour to be exactly Godlike.”
How can the Hindu hypothesis withstand the evidence of the morning newspaper?

The answer, say the Hindus, lies in the depth at which the Eternal is buried under the almost impenetrable mass of distractions, false assumptions, and self-regarding instincts that comprise our surface selves. A lamp can be covered with dust and dirt to the point of obscuring its light completely. The problem life poses for the human self is to cleanse the dross of its being to the point where its infinite centre can shine forth in full display.”
Huston Smith “The World Religions”

7one wrote:

It's inevitably all in our head, which is the sad truth many can't accept.

What is inevitable? And why is it sad?

That is real..
It's the connection.
The connection makes it real therefore it's real.
For example, the connection to the source, the one, everything and nothing.
It is real because the connection exists.
Like what mr rama chandra would say.
"Love is a word, it's the connection"..
Therefore, love exists in the connection which makes it real.
Because love is connected to everything.
Oracle: "Cookies need love, just like everything does"
This is why infinite love is real.
What you describe is connected to that.
Excellent job tozy.
The inevitable thing is illusion is trapping us. That's why it's sad. BUT!
We're in the matrix, not a part of it.
Peace.

Actually, when the connection becomes very strong, you reach the state of equilibrium. Equilibrium is the purpose.
Once the ultimate state of balance is reached, you are dead.
It's a basic appliacation of the entropy theory.

Basically, Love leads to death. We reproduce and we die. And every new born man consumes energy, wich will ultimatly lead us to the exhausting of all the energy left in the universe.