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Matrix-within-Matrix: Is Zion just another Matrix?

 

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From the beginning of Matrix Reloaded (ie before Neo could manipulate the machines in the 'real' world), he was having dreams giving knowledge of the future.

This future only came to pass because of a series of unfortunate events taking place in the 'real' world - a rickety gangway onboard one of the hovercrafts causing the deaths of the crew, forcing Trinity to enter the Matrix.

How is this possible? At the start of the film, he had not touched the 'Source' and yet was seeing the world 'without time' - The Oracle. Therefore, there must be some fundamental link between the 'real' and the Matrix to enable him to have these premonitions.

The dreams only show him events in the Matrix, but how can he foresee (like the Oracle) events that require 'real' world intervention to allow them to occur, without the Matrix being one and the same as the 'Real.'

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Well Fellow....let me tell you that even though your new...your a really good observer, I mean it, that which you just pointed out was what in fact stands for as ONE of MY pillars in which the matrix within matrix theory santds for. Now you mentioned the dreams Neo had. You also mentioned about how the events in the real world were able to "coordinate" to "match" with the actual dreams or visions Neo was having, well it is what I call my little(but really relevant) theory which I happen to call "Oracle theory", regarding on the MwM theory.
If you want I could post it right here, so you(and every one else) can read it and think about. It is my strongest theory on why the real world should in fact have to be another matrix, just read ahead:(next post)

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How can those 'coincidences' be choreographed like they are in BOTH the matrix & real world unless actually is a MwM? (The hovercrafts walkway falling killing some, & then sentinels hitting it...all forcing Trin into the picture again?)




You can also read my "Soren's crew Theory" on that matter.

Some facts which are plausible to be analyzed are those related to the Oracle. We know she (or IT if we think of it as a machine or program) has an unbelievable ability to "predict" future events. But we all know that this isn't a fantasy movie, this is SCIENCE FICCTION!(science from the work of mankind; multiplying resources of technology, which get better every day as we speak) So, we know that she does not foresee these events with "magic" or some sort of unknown source. She(or the matrix, and thus the matrix sends the info to her, doesn't matter anyways) calculates with highly complex probabilities, including algorithms(wrong spell?), which combined with endlessly multiplying and infinitely progressively A.I created second over second to over pass it's "makers"; thus they smartly anticipate what may or possibly will happen in a near future.

Now, the Oracle Knows many thing. She knows from the death of Neo(including Morpheus possible death if not Neo's), the fact that Morpheus would find him, that Trinity would fall in love with him, to the even intriguing event of niobe choosing weather or not she would HELD NEO ON HIS PATH. Probabilities only within a system of control over it, where the events are known from here to there by the architect, "the matrix has you" remember? The matrix also "watches you", they are watching and they pretty much know what happens where and by whom.

This event drives my attention away, as the predication is drawn from the "real world" and not from within the matrix. The Oracle can not predict or calculate which events may or may not happen on the "real world". She has attributions, those "powers" of which we are given by superior forces, and we thus have our own limitations, our limits, our selves as and existence in this reality that we live. the oracle can not calculate those type of events, they ARE OUT OF HER REACH, she can not "see" beyond the computer generated world of the matrix, only those within her power (presence of choice) thus she can only rely on the fact that "outside" events must be calculated in other way, Neo's path (an every anomaly’s path) must conclude on either 2 ways:1) The one you saw on the movie ( he chooses the left door, thus he does not reload the matrix, instead a self automatic mechanism comes around, Smith, to stimulate the anomaly to come to the machine city, and to make a deal with them) the other one would be:2) Neo reloaded the matrix with his prime program in him after choosing the right door on the white room with the Architect. MWM theory obviously solves this matter. Think of it.

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