»the kid«

right i have been in many forums (this is poberly the best one out of all)

But i have read aot of the posts and people are saying that the kid can self-eject what the hell where is this proved whoever told you all this you have been fooled i have seen the matrix, the matrix reloaded, the matrix revolutions,the animatrix and enter the matrix this is not said anywhere in all of them it is to my believe that neo saved the kid when the kid jumped from the school building which as the kid says himself in the second film "Neo you SAVED me" you see the word saved if he could self eject than he wouldn't be praising neo continuosely= that he wouldn't get in the robot and say "Neo i believe" he would infact proberly sit down and have a fag.

Weaselsrck wrote:

right i have been in many forums (this is poberly the best one out of all) But i have read aot of the posts and people are saying that the kid can self-eject what the hell where is this proved whoever told you all this you have been fooled i have seen the matrix, the matrix reloaded, the matrix revolutions,the animatrix and enter the matrix this is not said anywhere in all of them it is to my believe that neo saved the kid when the kid jumped from the school building which as the kid says himself in the second film "Neo you SAVED me" you see the word saved if he could self eject than he wouldn't be praising neo continuosely= that he wouldn't get in the robot and say "Neo i believe" he would infact proberly sit down and have a fag....bla bla bla

First of all...that's an A.P.U. (armored personal unit) not a "robot". but it's probobly a commun mistake...

Secondly...look into the end of the "kid's story"
last dialog scene

Quote:

Trinity: His vitals are good. He's gonna make it. Its unbelievable. I didn't think self-substantiation was possible. Neo: Apparently it is.

Now you see...self-substantiation is one of the powers a potential/ One can possess. ith it he can jack in and out of the matrix without the help of an operator from the real-world.

Quote:

Popper: Neo Neo: It's ok. You're safe now. Popper: I knew... You'd save me. Neo: I didn't save you kid. You saved yourself.

the reason he praise neo is because he believes more in The One then in himself.

ook u were right except the kid CANNOT jack back in he can only exit the matrix as the only way to get into the matrix is to hack it THIS IS NOT A POWER.

explain neo in the matrix through the trainstation then

I think, Neo is quite other sample of connecting to the Matrix and getting out of it. Neo's powers are not fully understand, and so Kid's getting out of the Matrix is not the same. Kid couldn't re-connect to the system for good, as no other couldn't do it. Sorry for my pure language

If you had actually understood the movies than you would have realised that the trainstation had nothing to do with the matrix it is actually a connection between the matrix and the source (which is golden code in the eyes of neo=Deletion code) the trainstation is a means of transporting programs that face deletion safefully to the matrix and in the movie the train man has god like powers there ("here im god") because he created it (if u didn't realise sati is a program who is facing deletion) the trainstation is also used for transporting programs to the source a.k.a the deletion code (i am not sure about the trainstation being used to transport programs to the source this is not explained in the movie.)

Also in simple terms for you if neo self Put himself into it then im sure he couls get out.

You're kind of wrong so I wouldn't be arrogant if I were you.

The Train Station and the Architect's white room look very similar, almost as if the door on the right would lead you right into the train station so Neo could board the train to head to the SOURCE where he would be deleted!

Or maybe not. Someone explain to me if this is correct....

Is Mobile Ave the place between the SOURCE and the MATRIX?

I tend to think of it as the source and the Matrix because Neo can feel the source when he touches the machines, which is connected to the Matrix system through those 3 big power pipes that he sees in his dreams. I think, in my mind, those power pipes symbolize mobile ave since it's like a long traintracks between the Source and the Matrix. Since Neo wasn't ready to go to the source, his mind had no place but to go to Mobil Ave, where the Trainman is God!

Mobil Ave station is a place between the Matrix and the machine world; the machine-program network in which machine-programs like Rama-Kandra work. Mobil Ave station is not between the Matrix and the Source.

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The Train Station and the Architect's white room look very similar, almost as if the door on the right would lead you right into the train station so Neo could board the train to head to the SOURCE where he would be deleted!

Not really. How would Neo get to the Source if he had chosen the Source door? We seem to disagree that he would go through the Trainstation because the Trainstation is illegal.

Akshat Gupta wrote:

Mobil Ave station is a place between the Matrix and the machine world; the machine-program network in which machine-programs like Rama-Kandra work. Mobil Ave station is not between the Matrix and the Source.

I think Brian Fakle was wrong. Rama, Sati and Kamala were from the Matrix (simple: they were programs). We can see in Zion Archives, on the screen in building, where Trinity came in the beggining of Reloaded, text: "Power Plant System". I think, that the Power Plant System, which Rama is talking about, is in the Matrix - not in the real world. Niobe destroy it (power plant), so Rama became exile (he worked in PP) (and so his wife, i think). "We must return to our world", so they must go to the Source. In O1 i think, there were no programs like in the Matrix - programs havn't got avatas etc.

*shakes head* No. Rama-Kandra negotiated with the Merovingian for the passage of his daughter Sati into the Matrix to save her from deletion. Mobil Ave is the link between the machine world and the Matrix. To the machines/programs, the Matrix would be their haven, their land of (relative) freedom.

Precisely. It is interesting to see the negative heaven-hell relationship for programs regarding the Matrix and the machine world.

Rama Kandra was trying to smuggle his daughter INTO the Matrix. She said she had to leave her home. Besides, if they came from the Matrix and are going into the Matrix, they have no reason to be in the Trainstation.

If they are from the Matrix, they should go to the Source, for delete. They maybe should go (Rama, Kamala, Sati) to the Source (in Loop 0101), but the deal with Merovingian, makes different: Sati could take a "loop" in train, so she will be back in the Matrix. But it's just a theory. This is "the exile purpose" - exile were from the Matrix, and when they were useless - they were deleted. But exiles in "machine world"?

But it is just a theory. Rama words: "We must RETURN to our world", can be in fact explenation for the question, and I'm wrong.

It's simple really, Rama and his wife are programs with no real physical forms who work for the machines either at the source or in a somewhat related way. They somehow created a daughter program called Sati. The reason why they must take her to the Matrix away from the source is because she was born without a purpose.
Who has ever heard of programs procreating? Because Sati has no purpose, the Machines must destroy her. "everything has purpose", but Sati doesn't. Rama therefore somehow met up with the Merovingian and struck a deal with him allowing Sati to hide in the matrix. Its safer there because there are back doors etc that Seraph and the Oracle (who were protecting her) can access where the programs cannot reach.
THe train station is simply a place where the real machine world and the Matrix meet. It is a TRAINSTATION. A place that you go to to get somewhere else!
That is what the trainstation is. And that is why sati was running away.