»Where did the keymaker go?«

In reloaded when Morpheus is talking and theres all the flashbacks and whatnot, when Neo is asking Trinity to stay out of the matrix I assume morpheus is also in the "real world" with them so where's the keymaker when this is happening? Aren't the twins very much still after him? If they leave him alone in the matrix won't the Merovingian be able to get him?

The keymaker is not a human, but merely a program that allows Neo to hack to the Source of the system. In Re-loaded, the twins were trying to prevent Neo from getting the keymaker's help. I suppose, the keymaker is usually a harmless program, from the point of view of the Architect, except that extra-ordinary minds like Neo's can take his advantage to hack to the Source.

right, for anybody knows, the keymaker could just have been put on a disk, and then loaded into the construct like neo, trin ect.

A very good observation, one Ive thought about alot myself, and I think it probably is a slight error in the story.

matrixfan00, you are wrong, because to prevent Neo from getting the keymakers help, the twins were trying to recapture the keymaker. If the rebels leave him unattended, what to prevent them from wandering in and claiming him back again?

I suppose the only explanation is yes, they did save him in the construct or something.

The keymaker is good at hiding. he only reason that the twins reached him in the carpark was that his protectors were too slow to close the door. If he had been on his own then he would have been way ahead of the twins and could have teleported about far beyond their reach. The keymaker was only made vulnerable by Neo and his crew trying to keep an eye on where he headed...once he was calmed down they could leave him to make his own way.

Besides, the twins were fried.

Very good point Silvercat. I agree.

However, the Twins weren't fried. They survived the explosion.

The Merovingian deleted them because they failed to retrieve the Keymaker.

'The Frenchman does not forget, and he does not forgive'.

Yes, I also fail to see how they could `die' during the explosion. They could just `ghost' out of there.

and they did...the last time we see them on screen, they've just made themselves insubstantial.

The twins have the ability to move through objects, but an explosion is so destructive that it covers an entire area in harmful damage. The twins can caertainly move through a moving car, get shot and so on, but being in an explosion, which has a lot of energy going in many different ways, would be much more harmful to them. If it wasn't so harmful, then the twins would not have fled the scene, they would have stopped, gone down and cut morpheus to small pieces. Additionally, the twins seem to be caught out by the explosion, for they do get caught up in the flames before they go ghostly. Again, this lack of preparation may have done them considerable harm, more than a mere bullet wound would.

I will accept that they are not dead, but i would say that they needed some considerable time to put themselves into working order and that, by that delay, they were unable to pursue their foes. a bit like zombies, you have to blow them up, or hit them with a flamethrower to even give them pause, but pause is, indeed, given.

It is worth remembering that even Neo, with all his powers, can be temporarily stunned by an attack. Likewise, the werewolves may not be killed by non silver bullets, but shoot then enough and it will slow them up some.

Thats irrellevant. If the twins can wander underneath a stone floor (looking for the Keymaker) then they can survive an explosion. All they need to do is 'ghost'. They lost Morpheus because as soon as they blew, he leapt onto the truck. Soon after, the Merovingian deleted them.

Neo did save the KeyMaker & Morpheus at the end of the car chase scene, you just have to assume Neo put him some where logical or requested & the Keymaker would have just gone from there.

The twins "ghost" power is not a ticket to indestuctability or carte blanche to ignore the rules of the universe. True, they can move through solid objects, such as stone floors, but there are limitations suggested by how they act. The twins move slowly when in ghostly form and they have a preference for not being ghostly, so it probably takes effort. Also, the twins do not fall through the floor to the center of the earth, do not fall through car floors and so on, again suggesting that they have some anchor in the world when they go immaterial. Morphing through a non moving, one material stone floor while calm is going to be much easier and safer than morphing through a high energy explosion while surprised and unawares. Solid and gaseous objects do not behave in the same way and they most probably affect the twins in different ways too. The explosion of the car is enough that it continues to propel the twins upward, even in ghostly form, which indicates that there is some interaction between the force of the explosion and their ghostly bodies, which cant be good for them.

The ghostly form of the twins has many solid qualities and maintains a definite order which suggests that it could suffer disruption, from either lack of concentration or area effect harm. The twins have to concentrate to rearrange their bodies to heal damage, it does not happen automatically and, more importantly, their arms and legs do not fall off and wander their own way here and there, they have a "solid shape" that their body keeps up at all times.

The twins can indeed be nigh on indestructable, but they still obey some rules and this would mean that they would have weaknesses and limitations, some of which appear to have been triggered by the car explosion. Whatever they are, it is enough that they call of their chase and get flung into the air, neither of which a truly indestructable, impervious ghost being would do for any reason.

Yes, but you still havn't suggesetd that it killed them. Although I did say that they can survive rather 'strange' environments including the explosion, I'm not denying that it may have affected them in some way. However, its irellevant. It isn't a huge aspect of the trilogy. Iam still completely comfortable with the fact that they survived and were then punished somehow.

And why was Morpheus able to trap the arm of the first Twin in the door to the car park long enough for Trin to shoot the arm? A split second trapping of the arm I can see, but just long enough for the Twin to morph and come on into the car park.

Inconsistancy or some other explanation?

TugOwar wrote:

And why was Morpheus able to trap the arm of the first Twin in the door to the car park long enough for Trin to shoot the arm? A split second trapping of the arm I can see, but just long enough for the Twin to morph and come on into the car park. Inconsistancy or some other explanation?

Huh? The twin kept his arm trapped in the door to not let it close. If it would've closed, the connection would've been severed, and the door would've just led to the outside, like what happened to Neo. He needed his twin to get through the door and then get the door opened so he could also get into the garage. Watch the scene again and maybe you'll get it.

Ok I get it now, I wasn't thinkin about the connection interupt thingy.
Thanks for the reply.

AzarN wrote:

If the twins can wander underneath a stone floor (looking for the Keymaker) then they can survive an explosion.

Perhaps they can, the point is they didn't.

Maybe their "phasing out" takes time or concentration or whatever, but either way Moprpheus caught them by surprise and they missed their chance.

If they had ghosted in time, they wouldn't have been thrown upwards by the blast.

The fact that you see them fly into the air demonstrates that they were affected by the explosion - and if it's affecting them, chances are it's harming them.

They became ghosts permanently.

The twins blew up you can see it they don't turn ghostly until after the xplosion catches them.