»The Matrix has you...«

This will be a bit long cause its my first post, but it won't be longer then the admin's opening word (which is exelent btw.).What i will do is try to explain as briefly as i can, why Matrix trilogy is, in my humble opinion, one of the biggest dissapointments in movie history.
About sci-fi in general; it is FICTION as the word says, but the important thing in these movies (and every other movie for that matter) is that it has to be believable, logical and it has to make sense (at least for me). That is why "Blade runner" or Alien movies (except fourth) are classics and "Independence Day" is pure mindless entertainment (nothing wrong with that btw.) that falls apart under a little technical examination. You all remember in that one the infecting of ALIEN computer with a homemade computer virus from EARTH wtf?(Windows as an OS has surely expanded). When i notice a nonsense like that or something just plain stupid in a movie, i just sorta turn the logic off and watch the rest.
Matrix1 had my attention all the way through. It was an exellent paced movie with an epic , profound story, great action etc. etc. It had flaws too, and i don't mean silly filming flaws like bodies dissapearing and stuff, but the big flaws in the very concept of the movie. I'm talking, for example, about the concept of getting energy from a human (why a human?) the way it is described. There were also a couple of stupidities; like the squiddies being able to fly through some obviously very advanced technology (whether it is gravity distortion or jet engines i don't care ), able to drill ship hulls with lasers, but unable to, say, FIRE A GUN?. I mean the year is 2100+ give them a couple of Desert Eagles for god's sake. Now the reason i didn't turn the logic off here is a theory that i have to mention here, the famous "MwM". It seemed to me as i watched Matrix1, that the "real" world is too much toon-like, artificial or just not very BELIEVABLE, so it came to my mind that when there is 1 simulation (Matrix), why can't there be another one as some sort of backup for those who are freed from the first? Perhaps the year is really about 2050 and the machines are really terminator-like and that is why the "Zion" simulation is so funny cause the machines dont know what it would be in 2100+?.Just my thoughts anyway i enjoyed the movie and expected a lot from the sequels since i heard that it is a trilogy.
Next Reloaded was out and it was....weird. The action was good, but i found directing and the script very poor. A lot of new characters without a noticable, let's say, purpose and with lines that are some sort of philosophical mumbo-jumbo that just sounds cool,wise and deep to those that are not really LISTENING. Sentences that could be interpreted in a couple of ways and sometimes not interpreted at all (not the case in Matrix1 btw. where the script was solid and not one sentence hanged). But from what i saw (Neo's "real" world powers etc. etc.) "ZionSimulation" theory was holding ...
Seen Revolutions. When the Oracle said something like "...the power of the one goes beyond this world..." i was pretty much like the admin in his opening word:"Huh? Is that all the matrix that i'm gonna get here?". How i perceived Revolutions simply said: Zion is real, Neo is Jesus. (Only real argument pro-MwM is the passing of a sentinel not only through Neo but through the hull of the ship everything else can be explained in "real Zion"). Don't get me wrong; my theory was flawed but i was dissapointed cause of my pride, but more because in my opinion MwM theory was the only thing that could have saved this trilogy and correct the flaws it dragged all along from the first movie. Then i thought OK maybe i didn't get it, maybe i'm dumb so i opened up google and typed "matrix explanation" in the search window...(until then i never looked for anything regarding Matrix movies on the internet btw.)
For a week or so i read fan's opinions and theories, typed the hidden codes in the matrix website, watched Animatrix, got familiar with Metacortechs etc.etc. and now i can say that i finally know the truth!.Don't ask me how i know it, i just know it The truth is simply this:

THE MATRIX HAS YOU

Lol, what I mean is this:
1.There is no conception, no truth, no correct theory about this piece of work. There is no real meaning (as if what the writer wanted to say) to the sentences we all were analyzing (overanalyzing really). Characters like Merovingian, Ghost, Niobe, Trainman, Kid etc.etc have a purpose though,and it's quite simple; first they have to contribute to the 4 hrs. that Matrix2 and 3 last, in a sense that through some funny "plot" they have to come up with an excuse for a big gun-fist-fight, and they have to open up space for the upcoming Animatrix episodes, comics etc.
2.The Bros have without a doubt stumbled (or stole it why not) on a Matrix1 script, realized it's potential and turned it into a good movie (flaws aside for Matrix1 sake). It WASN'T ment to be a trilogy without a doubt!. They realized in those prescreens what they made and THEN came with the idea for sequels. Here you got two options:
2.1 The Bros have no talent, no vision or they are simply sellouts, in which case they are guilty of turning a very promissing idea that could have gone ANYWHERE from Matrix1 into a piece of crap.Just look at the scripts in 2 and 3; it seems to me that this is how the script was made;"-Ok now they fight for a while then they stop in Hamlet-like pose and talk for a while then they fight again. -And what do they talk about?.-Oh, I don’t know just put some CHOICE or PURPOSE, mix it with a little CAUSALITY rambling so it sounds really cool and smart”.
2.2 The Bros (and possibly some other people)are a couple of real geniuses that managed not only to get money from, let’s say, regural mass culture audience, but also to hypnotize more demanding movie fans (namely us) with the Matrix ideas and make them buy comics, watch Animatrix and debate an the internet all day long about the meaning of something designed not to have any meaning. So they are guilty of insulting our intelegence. If not by Reloaded and Revolutions don’t you guys feel offended and played for a fool by that “metacortechs” s*** or “hacking” the matrix website?. The feeling that drives us to look for “answers” here is denial. We denied that the Matrix is what i just wrote cause we liked Matrix1 and the whole philosophy behind it, so we tried to give it some deeper meaning. There are people all over the net and in this forum that are almost crazed by this. I think the brothers could safely put a scene in Revolutions where Neo , say, dropps his pants and takes a shit at the trainstation, cause some of us would be like :”Hmm, what is the MEANING of that chunk of shit, what are the bros telling us here?” or “Is it REAL?” or “Look how curved it is i think it signifies the circle of life or the Matrix”
Ok I wen’t too far here, all credits to the Wachowki’s for playing us like a tune.
3. The Matrix is a system. It is a world of dreams pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth(ironic isn’t it). The truth is that the sole purpose of this system is to leech money out of the humans attached to this system. And a lot of humans are still attached to it through cinema, DVD, VHS, Metacortechs, Matrix website, T-shirts, sunglases even through this and other forums. Well, all i can say is that i’m, sort of like the Kid, plugging myself OUT. May i be struck down with 1000 lightnings if i put another dollar into Wachowki’s pockets.

All i feel now when someone ask me about the Matrix trilogy is SADNESS (for a while ).I’m sad cause it could have been an EPIC tale, and it isn’t even close. And i’m also sad (biggest irony of all) cause deep inside i KNEW the truth all along as i’m sure YOU know it as well u’r just refusing to believe it. Suggestion: instead of spending hours tonight trying to figure something out, go somewhere with your wife, girlfriend or a 20 bucks whore ,if you’re in a mood for that, and get laid tonight. Believe me you’ll feel like you are THE ONE. And if u want real philosophy read Carlos Kastaneda’s books (funny nobody mentioned him as an influence on Matrix).

and wake up...

Is that you.... John Mirra? !Only kidding...

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So they are guilty of insulting our intelegence.

You misspelled intelligence. Sorry, I thought that was funny. No offense.

Interpretations are what you make them. If i choose to take the structure of the Matrix films and philosophfy (is this a word? hehe) over them, who are you to say anything?

Not to mention, the people who really consider the Matrix idea, regardless of it's influences, to be something to think about aren't the ones spending hundreds of dollars on Matrix apparell. Don't get me wrong, i've given my fair share of money to W.B and W. Brothers, i've seen the three movies 7 or 8 times in the theater(no, not each. total.) and bought the first two and Animatrix. But i think if you can relate to the Matrix philosophy, you are the type of person not to buy into the materialistic spam that is sent out on blockbuster movies.

As for disappointment? Go watch them all again. Watch Animatrix. Because honestly if you didn't enjoy the trilogy, you didn't understand it. And your post fails to tell me otherwise. You brought nothing new to the table, didn't try to stimulate any intellegent thought. You've wasted all our time and we are all now stupider having read it. See what i mean, i typed stupider, and that isn't even a word!

... but I think you are terribly wrong.

Try this link. You will find yourself reading for a while.
wylfing.net...

Oops I meant Naz...

sorry Phoenix

Has the matrix dissapointed me? No. Why? Its because all of the new movies are ALL THE SAME! Although, the first one did infact change my perspective on the reality of the real world, the second and third brought the entire trilogy back in perspective. The Wakowkis, who brought us this "crazy" idea, became greedy. They traded in their philosophy hats for a book called " How to make Money for Dummies". Step 1: Come up with a good idea for a moive ( Check ). Step 2: Ridicule the entire world by setting up "Money grab" related products toward that movie ( Animatrix ). Step 3: Produce a web page on Philosophy of that movie. Step 4: Ignore the Philosophy topic and just make 2 no brain movies with the typical save the world subject along with probable hidden meanings which turn out to be nothing but a computer nerds life. Step 5: Within the 2nd movie place characters who produce no real meaning but are simply there to confuse that computer nerd, who is now wondering if there is more to life than just losing his lunch money to the school bully. Step 6: Cleavage; sure why not add a little hotness action, Monica Belluci, who has no real purpose except to bless the audience of her less than 2 minutes of faboulous acting skill ( good work girls). Step 7: Produce the "masterpiece", the 3rd movie, which turns out to become a nerds worst nightmare--What NO awnsers, I think i'll kill myself now--and ruins the lives of those who relished the matrix as not just a movie but as a way of life.

Dissapointment? No , its just the norm. The matrix fell back to its roots where instead of expanding the idea of the matrix it insued the story of the typical action movie: guns, kung fu, hot chicks, lots of fight scenes and yes a conclusion in which the viewers who left the theater believe they understand what happen but really are unsure. I myself believe i understand what occurred but dont care because in the end the matrix is no different than any other movie i have viewed. If I had any part in the production of the matrix, I would have left the Matrix as one movie. To enable the people of the world to guess to the future of the matrix rather than play out an somewhat unpredictable ending-- unless, of course, your a nerd and all you do is sit at home and type on useless meanings and hidden messages but " every begging must have an end."




"Most excellent"

Naz makes some valid points.

You wonder why M2 and M3 were so, well, different from M1. The easy interpretation was that the M1 script was lifted from somewhere else but then when the film makers had to wing it on their own with M2 and M3 they produced the films we (most of "we") are all complaining about into the wee hours of the morning.

In M2 the film comes to a halt at several points so characters can explain things: who controls machines, choice is an illusion, this is the real true honest nature of the Matrix. Now, in Film 101 they will tell you that you can not explain things in a movie, you have to show them, or even better, have the characters discover them by their actions. I'm not that doctrinaire, I can stand a good expository speech every now and then. But the problem is that the speeches in M2 have no relation to the action.

After all that business about choice versus causation, we do not see Neo making any real choice: the Oracle tells him to find the Keymaker, Neo finds the Keymaker; the Keymaker says go find the Architect, Neo goes find the Architect. Even Neo's "choice" at the end is suspect: the Architect explains it is the result of a chemically induced emotion, not rational choice.

Now, it just may be that the film makers ran out of ideas after M1. Something like this happened with Lucas' Star Wars epic by the end of Empire Strikes Back.

Or it may be that success went to the film makers'heads and they figured they had a forum for any pontificating they wanted to do. We'd all spend money to see their wisdom.

What is so frustrating is that M1 was a superior motion picture. The other two in the trilogy...well, I can only hope that somewhere in the Warner Bros vaults there are reels with the real Matrix 2 and 3.