»How can the humans breathe?«

Sorry to pull this up from so far back, but I'd say the machines(not just the machines they fight but the machines in Zion as well) can take apart compounds and make them into the individual elements, many compounds have oxygen. Yes there are animals and plants, how I don't know. Also an abundance of oxygen would be there initially.

Darius wrote:

Sorry to pull this up from so far back

Glad you did, it gives me the chance to ask...

istvan wrote:

...the human body will always consume more energy than it can generate...

Why?

Since energy can neither be created nor destroyed, where does it go.

They absorbe thermal and bio electric energy from the humans while alive.
After death they recycle the organic matter produced during growth.
Attraphied muscles indicates that these are not used,
leaving only the basic functioning of organs burning up those calories.

Where else does the human body "lose" energy?

The human body consumes more energy than it produces from moving reproducing and ect. this is not the case in the Matrix they don't do any of that stuff that exert the energy. So they would use more energy but they're in a pod.

Maybe the Machines create oxygen as a "waste product".

Now, the Machines don't actually rely heavily on "human electrical energy"...this would be thermodynamically inefficient. What they do is use it as activation energy to power a "new form of fusion power" that Morpheus mentions in passing during the "Desert of the Real" scene in Matrix 1.

Now, some of the new fusion technologies that are being researched work on stuff like hydrogen to helium fusion. Thus, the Machines would have to take water (still plentiful in the oceans) which is H20, and separate out the hydrogen to use in their fusion. oxygen wold be released as a waste product.

I don't think people could live comfortably on the surface or in the sewer tunnels, but I think it would be breathable air, like the thin air at high altitudes.

As said earlier, Zion does have air-making machines.

So their could still be some thin air that was breatable in the tunnels and on the surface, as the result of Machine "waste products".

they breathe throuhg the tube in there throat right?

When the sentinals first broke open a hovercraft, I expected decompression, but nothing happened. I guess there is equal atmosphere inside and outside the ships.

Wouldn't machines have developed some kind of weather controlling by now?... this is interesting because if so, i believe that whole thing about human batteries could not be truth. Instead it could be just an argument created by the first humans freed and transmitted for generations...
Please let me know your thinking [/quote]


ah, but do they even need to? Since they can survive without the sun, certainly they can survive these harsh elements. Why would they even consider the need for a weather-controlling program/machine/something if they had no need for it, and could survive without it? Im sure they have much better things to do with their time, like chasing exiled programs or Neo, for that matter LOL If the need existed Im sure the machines wouldve conjured up a machine/program to do this also.
Just my thoughts.

Darius wrote:

...I'd say the machines(not just the machines they fight but the machines in Zion as well) can take apart compounds and make them into the individual elements, many compounds have oxygen. Yes there are animals and plants, how I don't know. Also an abundance of oxygen would be there initially.

I was thinking this too. At some point the people of Zion must have made an oxygen-air-saturating machine to breathe down there in the Core. Im also thinking the *air* they are making must leak up to parts of the surface eventually....certainly at least over 500+ years.

Zaa Nayazu wrote:

we see how Neo unpluggs itself of the Matrix...

I know this was not the original question, but I would like to post here anyway....lol
I always thought of the humans in the pods surviving much like an infant survives inside its mother, and the tubes being umbiblical cords of sorts. Since you see the machines harvesting embryotic babies already in the *eggs* <for lack of a better word here> and moving them to storage-like trees to grow, then the humans still plugged into the Matrix would have never actually have breathed air. See the similarity to the fetus idea I have going? Babies do not breathe with their lungs until they come out of the mother and hit the air. Likewise, these human embryotic babies being harvested in Matrix have yet to breathe *real* air and therefore the need for all that pink juice, that we see when Neo is unplugged and flushed, and is in fact much like embryotic fluid.
Morpheus even comments after Neo is unplugged in M1 that his eyes hurt *because you've never used them.* <quoting from memory here>....On the same note, the lungs of these humans would not have been used and they would have survived via the -umbiblical cords- the machines plugged them up to.
Anyway, the harvesting scene has always been one of my favorites....

Didn't people bring Neo gifts of fruit etc on platters and leave them outside of his room in M3? So there must have been trees.

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Where else does the human body "lose" energy?

i think i just answered that question...better go open a window...its getting a bit wiffy in here



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