»I need help with some questions«

My first question is: How is time managed within the Matrix? Is it always year 1999, and if not what happens when it reaches year 2100 or something like that?

My second question is: How is it possible for the ONE to save 23 people by himself (when Neo was freed he had to rest for a long time) and will the 23 people know the truth?

The Nebuchadnezzar was made in the U.S.A. in 2069, but if I'm right in that year the countries didn't exist anymore and the people didn't have an exact count of the years. also, when the Nebuchadnezzar was destroyed, Morpheus said something about constructing it, but if it was constructed in 2069 and Morpheus thinks he is in year 2199 it is impossible for him to have constructed it.

My last question is a bit stupid, but I just have curiosity: How do the people in Zion get the clothes and all that resources?

I wil thank if you answer this questions that have long troubled my mind.

first question: i think that it not always "1999" as far the date is concerned, but the technology, culture etc.. of the Matrix will be kept the same, in such a way that maximises the humans' energy ooutput.

second question : i have no idea!

third: perhaps the machines built the ships for the humans but made it look as if they are relics of the war between the humans and the machines.

Wtf ? Who deleted my messages ?

Hmm....dont look at me. I swear if you jump to conclusions about this you will be banned from the forum. Just tell the admin about it.

I see that someone is waiting for any tiny excuse for a banning. AS by chance, only the messages related to my posts have been deleted.

Just tell the admin dumbass and stop assuming shit.

Akshat Gupta wrote:

I swear if you jump to conclusions about this you will be banned from the forum. Just tell the admin about it.

Banned from the forum? Why? So far noone has been banned.

He hopes to scare people with a "power" he does not have so that he can "reign" on the forum lol.

And that guy talks about understanding what the Matrix is...

First question responce. The matrix looks to be contiously reset back to it's starting paramiters, causing a cap on the technology which can develope, and putting the years back. Besides that.. rules can be made within the matrix to limit the technologies which are possible.

Question two, it would just take a lot of time to free 23 people, and the right equiptment. He'd need to make a cover story about how he got the stuff though.

Third question, if that's when the ship was built, that's when it was built. Maybe Morphious wasn't talking about the ship.. maybe it was his crew. If he was talking about the ship.. then he lied.

As to how they make the ships, they're recycled parts from the second renaissance. Humans flew big bomber things that were used those "pads" to propell them. You may also notice, that those big bomber things were made BY the machines.

Fourth question, I'm not really sure. In theory there'd be ways of breaking down none life matter into something humans can digest.. I just don't have a clue how. For the clothing.. some kind of fiber glass, or steelwool? Nah.. it doesn't look to be that though.. looks like some mesh.. oh duh.. silly me.. human hair.

When neo is planted with the "spider" through his belly-button, the agents should be able to locate and kill Morpheus and the whole gang.

First of all, when they take out the "spider" and throw it out of the car, it returns to its original state and turns itself off. This would give the location of where they would be at that moment.

Furthermore, if Neo was a prime suspect as he was treated. Then the agents would just have followed his code in the Matrix and would have taken over his body prior to him taking the red pill. By doing so, they would have been able to kill Morpheus and his followers.

We have seen numerous times when the agents take over the bodies of people in the matrix. They could have done exactly the same with Neo when he was going to meet morpheus for the first time.

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Jose208 wrote:

My first question is: How is time managed within the Matrix? Is it always year 1999, and if not what happens when it reaches year 2100 or something like that?

...What Raistath said.

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Jose208 wrote:

My second question is: How is it possible for the ONE to save 23 people by himself (when Neo was freed he had to rest for a long time) and will the 23 people know the truth?

Honestly, I don't think that's important. But if you must have an answer....

The Architect said: 'The function of the One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which, you will be required to select from the Matrix 23 individuals - 16 female, 7 male - to rebuild Zion.'

'SELECT,' not 'SAVE.' It is reasonable, then, to assume that the machines will release the 23 individuals. The One only has to Choose them. Also remember what Morpheus said: 'When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was he who freed the first of us, taught us the truth. As long as the Matrix exists, the human race will never be free.'

The previous One taught the first 23 the truth about the Matrix, that it was a computer-generated dreamworld designed to enslave Mankind. That is all. About the five Ones before him, Neo figured out: 'There are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.' Clearly, the previous One didn't say too much more to the 23, or that information would most certainly have been passed down. The Architect said: 'Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix, which, coupled with the extermination of Zion, will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.' The fact is, it was important that it was not passed down, because the added variable would multiply, putting Zion beyond the prescribed control of the Architect's design, pushing the system to its limits, and probably leading to said crash, etc.

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Jose208 wrote:

The Nebuchadnezzar was made in the U.S.A. in 2069, but if I'm right in that year the countries didn't exist anymore and the people didn't have an exact count of the years. also, when the Nebuchadnezzar was destroyed, Morpheus said something about constructing it, but if it was constructed in 2069 and Morpheus thinks he is in year 2199 it is impossible for him to have constructed it.

Wha...? When the Neb was destroyed, Morpheus said, 'I have dreamed a dream, but now that dream is gone from me.' He says nothing about constructing anything, unless you consider dreams to be constructions of the mind--I highly doubt that's what he's talking about, however. The dream Morpheus is most likely referring to is the dream of the end of the war, the dream of the salvation of Zion, which Neo has just basically shot to hell. The destruction of Morpheus' ship is, I think, just the icing on a very bitter cake.

As for the USA thing, perhaps the plaque is from another ship called the Nebuchadnezzar, built in 2069, before the Machines took over the world and built the Matrix. That's an early theory I had. But more likely, I think, is the fact that Zion is an exercise in rebuilding the human world. Perhaps, in their struggle to find their past, humans discovered artifacts that had written on them, 'Made In The U.S.A.' and thought it was an appropriate thing to put on the plaque of a hovercraft. The year is a curiosity, though. Zion has been around (this time) for about 100 years, so if the year is 'closer to 2199' (than it is to 1999--remember, that's all Morpheus says, followed by, 'I can't tell you exactly what year it is, because we honestly don't know.') that means that the year on the plaque is probably completely arbitrary.

The other explanation, of course, is that all the numbers mean something, beyond the parameters of the narrative! ...But, that's a subject for the philosophy forum, innit?

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Jose208 wrote:

My last question is a bit stupid, but I just have curiosity: How do the people in Zion get the clothes and all that resources?

They must have built them, made them, etc, 'from the ground up' or 'from scratch.' The Zionites have a machine that recycles their water supply... where did they get the water? You have to assume the inventiveness of the human mind, here. Perhaps one of their crops is cotton! Or hemp, which would be extremely useful in such adverse conditions; the clothes look soft, like they could be made of cotton, yet coarse, which to me suggests something like hemp, an incredibly versatile plant.

Barbaros wrote:

When neo is planted with the "spider" through his belly-button, the agents should be able to locate and kill Morpheus and the whole gang.

Now that's interesting, man...! Let me see....

Barbaros wrote:

First of all, when they take out the "spider" and throw it out of the car, it returns to its original state and turns itself off. This would give the location of where they would be at that moment.

Well, I think it's fairly obvious that Apoc turned around and went in a different direction once the 'bug' was out. That's just common sense, and easily seen in any number of movies where someone wants to throw someone else off their trail. So no matter where the bug landed, the rebels would have been far from it by the time the Agents got to it. And anyway, the Agents were looking only for Morpheus, not for his 'gang.' Not too bright, I admit, but there it is.

Barbaros wrote:

Furthermore, if Neo was a prime suspect as he was treated. Then the agents would just have followed his code in the Matrix and would have taken over his body prior to him taking the red pill. By doing so, they would have been able to kill Morpheus and his followers. We have seen numerous times when the agents take over the bodies of people in the matrix. They could have done exactly the same with Neo when he was going to meet morpheus for the first time.

But Neo wasn't a prime suspect. They didn't think much of Thomas Anderson, or he would have been killed by the Agents without hesitation. They were far more concerned about Morpheus at that time.

I do agree, however, that it would have been easier for an Agent to take Neo over at the Lafayette Hotel. The only explanation can be that they were simply unable to do so. If they could, they would never have needed the 'bug' in the first place.

I think the Agents need to be in proximity of someone in order to 'take them over.' They also need to be in proximity of someone to see what they see. Since they couldn't follow Neo, because they wanted Morpheus to feel secure enough to contact Neo again, they implanted the 'bug,' which would allow them to 'follow' Neo's code without being in close range. They could no sooner follow Neo without the 'bug' than they could 'take him over' from far away, so they lost him.

I think the Agents need the bug not because they have to be close to someone, but because there is too much code to find Neo's that quickly, so the bug probably made some kind of "blip" in the code.

Barbaros wrote:

When neo is planted with the "spider" through his belly-button, the agents should be able to locate and kill Morpheus and the whole gang. First of all, when they take out the "spider" and throw it out of the car, it returns to its original state and turns itself off. This would give the location of where they would be at that moment. Furthermore, if Neo was a prime suspect as he was treated. Then the agents would just have followed his code in the Matrix and would have taken over his body prior to him taking the red pill. By doing so, they would have been able to kill Morpheus and his followers. We have seen numerous times when the agents take over the bodies of people in the matrix. They could have done exactly the same with Neo when he was going to meet morpheus for the first time.

What the hell are u talk'n about, this post has noth'n to do with the original thread asked. Read before u write.

Q1. I think when Morpheus say's: "You think it is the year 1999, whan it is close to the year 2199" What if when the matrix is reloaded it goes back to the year 1999 when we were at the peak of are civilization.

Q2. It would be possible for Neo to save 23 people by himself. because he would only have to get the people out, Morpheus and the other ships can help restore them and tell them the truth.

Q3. The Nebuchadnezzar was made from scrap parts, which was left over from the war, between man and machine.

Q4. The clothes in Zion are left overs from the previous zoineers that where kill off in the last reloading.

P.S. I have been awake for 3 days straight so please forgive me for anything i wrote that does not make sence or sounds like dribble.

annaerullo wrote:

I do agree, however, that it would have been easier for an Agent to take Neo over at the Lafayette Hotel. The only explanation can be that they were simply unable to do so. If they could, they would never have needed the 'bug' in the first place. I think the Agents need to be in proximity of someone in order to 'take them over.' They also need to be in proximity of someone to see what they see. Since they couldn't follow Neo, because they wanted Morpheus to feel secure enough to contact Neo again, they implanted the 'bug,' which would allow them to 'follow' Neo's code without being in close range. They could no sooner follow Neo without the 'bug' than they could 'take him over' from far away, so they lost him.

I'm not sure about this, have to rewatch the trilogy again. But I think the agents take over ppl after certain things occur. For example when they see something weird, or when they are in trouble. To me it looks like the agents are looking for certain signals from the matrix. Instead of wadding thru all the code.

Q1. I have no clue, been awhile since I watched the first but will do so very soon.

Q2. I agree that the 23 chosen will be freed by the machines not Neo. He merely choose them.

Q3. Could have just scavenged it and place it in his ship.

Q4. They can have hydroponics sphere or the like inside Zion. We can see them eating fruit and vegetables so they must a garden somewhere in the city. So they could have some animals too.

And to answer a question about how they got all that machinery in Zion, they are surrounded by machines. They can bend over and pick the parts they need. In the Animatrix we can people doing missions on the surface. Also in M3 at the begining we can see Niobe and his crew coming back with spare parts gathered on the surface.

Q1. I have no clue, been awhile since I watched the first but will do so very soon.

Q2. I agree that the 23 chosen will be freed by the machines not Neo. He merely choose them.

Q3. Could have just scavenged it and place it in his ship.

Q4. They can have hydroponics sphere or the like inside Zion. We can see them eating fruit and vegetables so they must a garden somewhere in the city. So they could have some animals too.

And to answer a question about how they got all that machinery in Zion, they are surrounded by machines. They can bend over and pick the parts they need. In the Animatrix we can people doing missions on the surface. Also in M3 at the begining we can see Niobe and his crew coming back with spare parts gathered on the surface.