»Green Back Orifice glyph: a new Matrix born?«

Probably someone has been into this connection before; in which case I guess I'll have to repeat it!

In the thread matrix-explained.com... AzaZell note:

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In Matrix Revolutions, the Back Orifice symbol apperars on the movie... geocities.yahoo.com.br... Sorry, but my page isn't in English Language... but there are screenshot of program... Back Orifice is a Trojan... very used in 1998... by Hackers The icon of this program is similar showed in the begining of MAtrix Revolutions...

So Back Orifice was a hacker program several years back, a sort of trojan to gain access to a remote computer and do stuff on it in admin mode. Now "orifice" means cavity or opening into body, and this is what the machines did to the humans in the pods, (especially in the back of the head), and that is what Matrix and Mega City is all about, thus the glyph symbol the machines thought it appropriate to use for it.


As you know, the Revolutions title sequence begins with the green code, then a break, and then the orange explosion to which we zoom in, and the out again until we come to the Mega City and the the Mega City glyph. But then we zoom out further and end up in what seems the original green code.

Now a few quotes from the thread matrix-explained.com...

Inevitability:

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A revolution has happened inside the Matrix, and Neo/One is the carrier of its meaning. He can ‘feel them’ more now and begins to understand. He then takes that understand from a ‘seed’ or beginning onto its final destination.

To which oscargabrielp answered:

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This one sounds kinda cool. The orange explosion could definitely be Neo´s code.

Inevitability quoted the script:

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Link: Almost, sir. They got some pretty ancient hacks here, we're working on it. Did you find Neo? Morpheus: Can't you see him? Link: No, sir. We were reading something but I couldn't tell what it was.

Qbosch observes:

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"... and then zoom back out to look at mega city in the matrix which is just as grain of sand in an ocean of code."

to which I answered:

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... and the "ocean of code" is .... what?

Aha! Someone does a trojan in the trojan! This is probably why we see the green Mega City glyph (in the title sequence) among the other green code (which is the Matrix we know). And where does this green Mega City glyph come from if not from the orange explosion?

So here's my hypothesis: Neo (or the Source) creates a new Matrix in the Matrix through the orange explosion! (like MIAM-theory but inverted: not a matrix outside the original matrix, but a matrix inside the original matrix).

In other words, could it be that the "ocean of code", as Qbosch calls it, (in which Mega City glyph is situated) is the original matrix as we have known it in the first two films? But then the orange explosion which seems to give birth to a new seed, a new mega city inside the mega city everyone already knows. The new strange code Link is reading, but cannot interpret, could be the result of the orange fractal patterns Neo is now carrying, and which is the potential code to give birth to a new Mega City, that is, a new Matrix, which Neo inserts in the Source(?) at the end of Revolutions.

And yes, the orange explosion can also anticipate the final reloading (or renewing) of the matrix at the end of revolutions; but the embryo for the new matrix is born sometime in Reloaded! maybe when he touched the Source?


Plausible?

It can be like that - that the reloading/renewing/revolution can be interpreted as insertion of new matrix into the old corrupted shell (at least from the point of view of pod-people). Nevertheless, I think this happend right after Smith took over Neo, not before.

Neo's strange code could be related to his intermingling with the Source but I thing Neo do not carry the fractal code. The fractal code is what he 'sees' when Logos is falling to the Machine City ... and maybe it reflects the source-coding (that's my guess).

One thing that is bothering me is how Neo was reconnected while leaving the Mobil Ave? He certainly had some connection to the matrix while in limbo (wirelessly through some part of his plug?) and when he was freed from Mobil Ave, he went to the Oracle and once he get out of matrix, we saw he was sitting in the chair with a plug in a head. How did Neo cange from his unconscious connection to the standard one? Maybe I remember it wrong because it is some time since I saw the Revolution last time but can someone give me a hand? The strange code that Link saw could possibly be related to this.

The embryo of the new matrix, as you call it, could be tracked a way back - it is the path of the One, that was created by many (not only Neo). It could be that

This is just what i think, it my be wrong.

To me the orange explosion may represent Neo's Chose/Dission. And the green city inside the Matrix Glyph could represent the city were Neo and Smith do there final battle.

Just a thought or a theroy?

Yeah, titek, about Neo getting reconnected again: that's been bothering me too. See my post on the thread about the missing suitcase at Mobil Ave. Nothing revolutionary there, but som curious thoughts...

/z

titek wrote:

One thing that is bothering me is how Neo was reconnected while leaving the Mobil Ave? He certainly had some connection to the matrix while in limbo (wirelessly through some part of his plug?) and when he was freed from Mobil Ave, he went to the Oracle and once he get out of matrix, we saw he was sitting in the chair with a plug in a head. How did Neo cange from his unconscious connection to the standard one?

I''m not sure about the rest, but I think there's a simple explanation for this. Neo's connection in Mobil Ave was unplugged, wireless, as it were, his body lying in the sickbay; but he's still 'Jacked in,' for all intents and purposes - Maggie suggests as much. When he made it back to a hardline, he had to get back into his body, somehow, so the crew of the Mjollnir, or someone aboard, had to place Neo's body in the chair. I don't think there's anything weird about his connection, except that it is 'wireless.' And I don't think the Oracle had anything to do with his return to his corporeal body. The connection was a connection, plugged in physically or not, but he had to get back to his body, and in order to do that, they had to plug his body in.

Hey guys, isn't it possible that the orange explusion is Mobil Ave? Or maybe Seraph or another program, since Seraph sparkles with orange codes instead of green ones in Neo's Matrix-Code-Vision...

But those things aren't as important to put in the title sequence. The title sequence either-

1. Shows a deep truth about the complexity of the Matrix/the universe.
2. Shows the significance of the `Revolution' which Neo will bring to both worlds.

Or both things.

annaerullo wrote:

I'm not sure about the rest, but I think there's a simple explanation for this. Neo's connection in Mobil Ave was unplugged, wireless, as it were, his body lying in the sickbay; but he's still 'Jacked in,' for all intents and purposes - Maggie suggests as much. When he made it back to a hardline, he had to get back into his body, somehow, so the crew of the Mjollnir, or someone aboard, had to place Neo's body in the chair. I don't think there's anything weird about his connection, except that it is 'wireless.' And I don't think the Oracle had anything to do with his return to his corporeal body. The connection was a connection, plugged in physically or not, but he had to get back to his body, and in order to do that, they had to plug his body in.

In fact, if the connection was really wireless, then there would be no need to connect Neo physically since he's already connected. He needed an exit (a phone) to get out and that's happening inside of the matrix and not in the real world.

The fact that they needed to connect Neo physically to get him out proves that it was definitly not a wireless connection.
Remember, he said himself that he separated his mind from his body, I think it is clear : the Neo we see in Mobe Ave his a copy of his mind.

I know this is not really the main thread, but just a frayed edge, but I really am interested in this....

Apocryphe wrote:

.... the Neo we see in Mobe Ave his a copy of his mind.

That's interesting.... I would agree, from a monist perspective. That is, if mind exists because of body, or, mind is a part of body. But from the dualist point of view, the mind and the body could separate completely, because they are in fact two separate things.

Before going on, I want to mention: I'm going to use the word 'mind' for consistency's sake. However, dualism usually talks about 'body' and 'soul.' The connection is simple: most translations of Greek philosophical texts use the word 'soul' wherever the original Greek word is 'psyche.' Today, thanks to psychotherapy, we readily associate the word 'psyche' with 'mind.' So 'mind' and 'soul' really mean pretty much the same thing...at least in this argument!

Monistically speaking, Apocryphe's right. The 'wireless' connection is not accurate, and it would seem that Mobil Ave Neo (no relation to the MeX poster! ) is just a twin image of the real Neo, who lies unconscious in the belly of the Mjollnir. In that case, if he used a phone exit, he would not have had anywhere to go, because Neo's body--which contains and is the 'realmind' of Neo--is occupied! The 'copy' mind would have had to overwrite the realmind, which might explain the jolt Neo has when he wakes up onboard the Hammer.

I think the dualist point of view works better here, though. Neo separated his mind from his body, so they were not together. There was no 'realmind' in Neo's body, because the dualist body is able to be sustained without the mind. His brain does not contain his mind, the way his body contains his brain, from the dualist point of view. So, the readings Maggie's seeing on Neo's BRAINwave patterns are more like an echo of what his mind is up to.

But Morpheus says, 'The body cannot live without the mind.' Neo was not ready to die, as the Oracle suggests, so his mind found a way to exist, a place to go, so that his body would not die. In that way, the connection is 'wireless'--meaning simply that he's 'not jacked in.' Because he's not jacked in, however, his now separate mind has no way of getting back to his body. From the perspective of dualism, if Neo used a phone exit without his body being jacked in, he'd really have nowhere to go!

Either interpretation works, I think, just depending on whether you ascribe more to dualism or monism in your own philosophy. ...perhaps there is a synthesis somewhere, but it's not something I'm prepared to try to find right now! And neither view seems to offer any explanations as to why Bane woke up from his 'coma' at the same time as Neo....

So many theories, I hope that the Revolutions commentary to be included in the Matrix Box Set contains something on this to clear things up.

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Either interpretation works, I think, just depending on whether you ascribe more to dualism or monism in your own philosophy. ...perhaps there is a synthesis somewhere, but it's not something I'm prepared to try to find right now!

*sigh*....I've been thinking about monism and dualism for quite a while now. As it applies to....well, everything. And at this point in time, after all that I have read, and taken from the Matrix, I have come to this conclusion. Both of them exist. There is a balance between monism and dualism. example- the body and mind are separate, however, in many ways they do work the same. The fact that they are divided is what brings them together under one integral model of reality. One must not be completely monistic because they will forget the importance of the dualistic differences between variables. One must not be too dualistic because they will forget how everything fits together in one integral model.