»Sentinel Spirit«

people have been talking about that thing when a sentinel fly's inside Neo and stuff so I came up with this theory

...If Neo is connected to the source maybe the source can try to attack Neo with digital Sentinels...like when you are shot in the matrix you die in the real world...so only neo can see the ''Spirit'' Sentinel and then his brain makes it real...and thats how the spirit was able to attack him....

...this is in no way a theory that can be supported and i kinda don't belive this myself but....it would be quite cool ...

do you guys have any thoughts on this?

Option #1

The Source is like a "real" Matrix.

When Neo blows up the Sentinel, the Source doesn't recognizes that in a split-second and Neo keeps receiving from the Source that Sentinel.

Neo sees like the Machines in that moment. The Machines see the Sentinels still up passing through the ship and then disspearing, kase Neo is blowing them all up, unregonizable from self-destruct sequences or something like that.

#2

It may be also just some residual energy on the air, as it may be that he sees Machine energy and after blowing up the Sentiel, its energy flows thru the ship and Neo can see energy.

Hmm....so your saying my theory is wrong or are you just telling me your theory?...because option 1 and 2 are wery likely..

Those 2 are the most accepted of all theories for what happens (not mine).
I'm just informing you.

i think it's the Sentinel's residual energy. i mean, when Bane/Smith was killed and we watched it in NeoVision, the Smith aspect didn't just die off and flicker out, it fell over without a head and then exploded into a bunch of bits. so why wouldn't a Sentinel's energy linger?

But Bane/smith energy was dead just like Bane but the sentinel spirit lookt like it was still alive and could move...which it did...didn't it?

Sounds like your implying the sentinel/machines as a whole live on after the body is dead?

Ironic that without the mind the body dies for humans and its the other way around for the machines as without the body the 'mind' lives on.

Hmmmm..no I wasn't implying that at all but still...that would be quite cool....

I say 'imply' not in an attacking way pawnatron, sorry if that is how it sounded, i agree with your earlier post saying it looked like the sentinel spirit moved through Neo and away, rather than disintergrate like Bane/smith did. Along with all the glowing energy in the machine city i believe that the machines may have evolved a 'soul' as such, i'd like to think so anyway

Oh no I'm sorry if I ''sounded'' angry...thats the problem with these post its hard to see how people react by just reading there text...but no I was in no way angry or something...just telling you that i was not implying this so you could claim this theory to yourself....

...Or whatever you know

CrossFade wrote:

Sounds like your implying the sentinel/machines as a whole live on after the body is dead? Ironic that without the mind the body dies for humans and its the other way around for the machines as without the body the 'mind' lives on.

i'm not saying that the sentilnel's spirit (or whatever) floats around for eternity...that just looked like inertia to me. i mean, Bane/Smith was kneeling when he bought it. the sentinel and the ship were coming at each other at a pretty good pace (relative speed and all that) so even if the sentinel's spirit hung around for a second and then exploded like Smith, the ship would have passed through it and then the spirit would have exploded. but by that time, it was off-screen.

better?

THey show a shot of the sentinel before it goes to Neo's vision, so the sentinel is still "alive", show it can't be its spirit after it is destroyed. I watched it in super slow motion, and when the sentine just goes through the window before they go the the glow shot, it really looks like the glass is breaking on the window, which seems like the sentinel is physically going through thewindow, but after the window is still intact,so I don't know what to think

cal: I have the same problem. The squid seems to actually enter the ship, physically. The must disturbing fact about this: Trinity does not even seem to realize!

Well, the simplest explanations are the best ones, so there is only one logical deduction to be made from all the information I have about the trilogy. We are told that the One is a control mechanism whose karma it is to be exactly that - a control mechanism. No one ever says anything else, not even the Oracle. Merv is absolutely right about Neo following orders until the very end - with the exception of endangering the whole by superordinating his love for trinity to the love for humanity. This stops when trinity finally dies - which, in my opinion like in Agent Smith's, is "inevitable" for Neo's "purpose" to be fulfilled. Look at Neo's face at the end of revolutions when he looks at Smith and says "you were right, Smith. You were always right." I think he looks very downcast! He realizes that Neo and smith are "apparently free, but appearances can be deceiving" [Smith quote, reloaded]. Indeed, choice is really an illusion as the architect said, because that is what made the matrix perfect.

And I mean perfect, for the only logical reason I can see for Neo's mind falling into the train station accidentally, for stopping the Sentinels, and for suffering another Sentinel to fly straight through him, is that what was announced as the real world is indeed the second layer of the Matrix. Why the gold code? Why is Seraph written in gold code, even within the green Matrix? How can that be, unless code is exchanged between the two? Plus, Neo can only see the machines' code, not the rest of the world - he has to search for Trinity who lies dying in the ship. He is given exactly those powers he needs to succeed, and no more. His extra-first-layer-powers are given to him only when he refuses to fulfil his role at the end of Reloaded [to counter-balance bane, and to be able to reach the machine city]. These powers come from the Oracle of course, the intuitive program working with the architect to make the Matrix perfect (hence their meeting at the end of Revolutions). She resembles one side of yin and yang, the architect the other.

Now to the sentinel: I think the reason that trinity does not even realize its coming through the window, and Neo feels it flying through him, is that it is indeed made from code. A plugged-in Trin and a plugged-in Neo [with advanced powers] might very well both perceive the gold matrix differently - depending on the signals both of them are sent. The gold matrix would not necessarily have to be based on the same rules as the green. It is a daring theory, I know, but it was formed inductively, i.e. information first. Imho, it is perfectly logical. If anyone can come up with a better explanation yet (and can back it up with facts from the movies), please do - always willing to learn

Exile wrote:

A plugged-in Trin and a plugged-in Neo [with advanced powers] might very well both perceive the gold matrix differently - depending on the signals both of them are sent.

So, would this imply a variation on the 'Real World Is Not Real' theory?

Because, if that's the case, maybe there's a load of jacked-in machines running around as Sentinels, which explains their code nature..?

Yes, though it is impossible to prove yet, I think that most of the facts gathered especially in Revolutions point to the possibility that what is "real" (Zion reality) is in fact
a) another matrix
b) another layer of the matrix which is part of the control system and creates an inescapable matrix. [But, of course, the Wachowskis could still come up with a plugged-in guy who is able to really influence the code of the whole, much as Neo seems to be at the end of Matrix 1]
Your idea with jacked-in machines is very good, I think... but they could also be made from code 100%, programs without any counterpart in the real world. We cannot say if there is any reality like the one with the machines above the matrix, but it is highly probable, because there are no clues that suggest otherwise.

One minor observation still that I might get wrong: The sunset at the end of Revolutions is plain surreal, a total exaggeration. It would not seem real to anyone who has seen reality (us, for example). Now take a look at the sky when Neo and Trin lift above the clouds in Revolutions... could be real, especially because of the darkening of the sky, but still, there is a bad aftertaste.... looks somehow fake as well...

Exile wrote:

The sunset at the end of Revolutions is plain surreal, a total exaggeration. It would not seem real to anyone who has seen reality (us, for example).

~Grins~ Assuming this is real... Cogito ergo sum.

Also, the natural world can still produce strange and wonderful sights, even if you've been on the planet for a long time.

For example, I watched a sunset on the beach in Wales, and it was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.
Yesterday I watched the moon, yellow as ice-cream, disappear behind a right-angled cloud.

Plus that final sunset was created by Sati, a program, who has no great experiance of 'normal' sunsets...

That and it was more symbolic than anything else.

=)