»Did anyone see the supposed emp??«

Hey. a lot of topics here are on the neos emp subject. i have a question? did anyone actually see the emp charge? when the zion ships release their emp charge you see it as the bluish-white radiating light and the "eeooouummmpppp" sound. i cant recall seeing the same thing happen when neo releases "his" emp??? so i cant really find any proof of neo having special powers outside the matrix.

idea 1.
neo beeing a part of the machines master plan is off limits for machines but they dont know it. only the top dogs of the matrix know it. perhaps a built in fail-safe systems shuts down machines that try to kill neo.
idea 2.
the part that was copied from smith to neo kicked in and gave neo the powers to shut down machines, if a part was copied that is.
idea 3.
same theory as idea 1 but with trinity as the untouchable.

farfetched?
probably but hey, im in good company here.

I don't like to spend too much time on the "Neo stopping the Sentinels" - subject, 'coz it may very well be that the Warnerchowski Brothers have detatched the real-world in the movies from our real-world, and thereby saying that anything is possible.

In the third movie, when Neo wakes up, he is able to dodge bullets and fly in Zion (the real world in the movies) too. That will make the matrix just another "Nothing to do with our reality movie", and we won't be able to discuss it in a serious way. And that sucks.

I don't think it was an EMP, because it looked different from the EMP we know from the end of Matrix 1.

As it's written at

There are old people in China and one old person in Japan who, in our "Real World," can stop machines with their chi force. As opposed to the silliness of a movie "Real World," or the Dwayne Wayne television "Real World" or the straight from hell MTV "Watch-people-bitch-at-each-other-Real-World." Believe it or not. But these "Chinese Wizards" may well be our "New Hope" against the "Illuminati" as their "empire strikes back" agianst us little folks some have referred to as "rebel scum."

I guess the Matrix-within-a-Matrix Theory explains it best.

Many scenes and dialogs doesn't make sense if it is not so. For instance the existance of the Oracle within the Matrix. Or the Architect ...

The 'programs' like Merowingian, Oracle and many others are behaving as normal humans, aka real persons. What makes the 'real' persons more human? That they do have a biological body, perhaps still connected to the matrix? No, there is no difference at all.

The apparent conflict between machines and humans are just the canvas for the maturing of characters ... without any real significance.

The explanation in Matrix 1, given by Smith, and re-iterated by the Architect gave good hints: There has been a perfect world, but the people died of boredom. Well, thrill isn't the goal but only the means to reap the real objectives: Free and mature characters able to love.

It all seems to be a maze of matrixes. And there is no matrix more real than another.

The movies idea is not only to entertain with a fancy story, just like another SciFi-Junk, but to propagate this world view.

Just-a-Program wrote:

I guess the Matrix-within-a-Matrix Theory explains it best. Many scenes and dialogs doesn't make sense if it is not so. For instance the existance of the Oracle within the Matrix.

Why would the existence of an Oracle inside the Matrix instead of in Zion explain that Zion is a Matrix? Isn't the opposite more true?An Oracle in Zion would proof better that Zion is a Matrix.

knnknn wrote:

Why would the existence of an Oracle inside the Matrix instead of in Zion explain that Zion is a Matrix? Isn't the opposite more true?An Oracle in Zion would proof better that Zion is a Matrix.

The initial model is that the 'real' world including the machines and Zion is determining and controlling the Matrix. How could anything which exists only in a depended sphere has any knowledge of the future, in particular as it depends on decisions and events in a higher sphere. The Oracle must have (future) kowledge also of Zion and the machines in the 'real' world, which adjusts the role of this so-called reality. The relationship of dependencies flips by this view - qed.

Just-a-Program wrote:

How could anything which exists only in a depended sphere has any knowledge of the future, in particular as it depends on decisions and events in a higher sphere.

But the Oracle is a program made by the outside world. Thus she can very well be informed about what's going outside of the Matrix.

She knows, that there is a Matrix, right? In your arguementation she wouldn't know about the Matrix and about Zion.

knnknn wrote:

But the Oracle is a program made by the outside world.

How do you know? If there is no outside world at all? Is the word 'program' an identifier or a symbol, loosing significance?

knnknn wrote:

Thus she can very well be informed about what's going outside of the Matrix. She knows, that there is a Matrix, right?

To support bi-directional ports is quite a standard computer function. But the Oracle's knowledge of the other world surpasses by far the normal cognition.

She knows of future events in both worlds in such a detail that it is not to be explained as intelligent guesses or straight self fulfilling prophecies.

knnknn wrote:

In your arguementation she wouldn't know about the Matrix and about Zion.

Not at all, the crossing between these different layers of realities doesn't mean to get them isolated, but to get multiple interfaces. The observation of the Oracle reveals a lot. Morpheus did understand this, as well as Neo. Why is the audience eager to regard the rotten arguments of Smith et al.

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She knows of future events in both worlds in such a detail that it is not to be explained as intelligent guesses or straight self fulfilling prophecies.

About what future (that happens in Zion) does she know? It's obvious that Zion is in danger. It doesn't take an Oracle to know that.

knnknn wrote:

About what future (that happens in Zion) does she know? It's obvious that Zion is in danger. It doesn't take an Oracle to know that.

Oh, Dear. In order to have knowledge of the future within the Matrix it is a must to have complete knowledge of the outside too. If not, how could she predict anything, as well the Architect. If the 'outsiders' influence the matrix, she must know the full impact. If the 'outsiders' don't influence the matrix at all, the apperent 'real' world would be the illusion.

She revealed the necessary message just in time. Her timing indeed challenges the coalition of our heros purposefully.

No, I wanted to hear from you an example of something she has predicted and that came true (outside of the Matrix)

We know from the first movie, that the Sentinels are controlled by the agents correct? So possibly when part of Neo's code got written onto Smith, part of Smiths code, got written onto Neo, therefore making him connected with the sentinels. So maybe with this "section" of code, he was able to control them, just like the agents do.

DreamWorld wrote:

We know from the first movie, that the Sentinels are controlled by the agents correct? So possibly when part of Neo's code got written onto Smith, part of Smiths code, got written onto Neo, therefore making him connected with the sentinels. So maybe with this "section" of code, he was able to control them, just like the agents do.

This is written already at

ogami, do you read what you type?

I did not see an EMP and the way the sentinels stopped looked just like how Neo stops bullets in the Matrix which goes to suggest that there is another matrix and that is the "Real" world that Neo is now in. What if his coma is just him going out into the actual Real world?

Look. There is no MWAM .. Ok.. mainly because. it dosent make a good movie, and more importantly, the main enemy, the plot, the whole goal of the story, the underlying purpose of the human resistance would be lossed. and it's too late to start all over again with a new real eenemy in the third real world.. plus.. everything can be explained without a second matrix. ... so its just unnecessary.. sorry but i had to get that out..

By 3rd "real world" i meant it as in another supposed real world.

SMITH CANNOT CONTROL THE MACHINES, BECAUSE SMITH IS NO LONGER AN AGENT OF THE MATRIX.

BUT... the copde of sentinel control remains as an unacessable part of his code.. he just cant use it anymore.. its there but not usable by smith .. therefore neo could have stilll picked it up.. just likes a corrupted file.. or when a file is deleted it is still there but cant be used.. but the police can still acess it with their restore programme.. . ( another score for the anti MWAM)

read my new topic in this forum.. it refers to neo picking up the "dormant" sentinel control code.