»What Neo says when he is taken over by smith«

this is my first post and i have been reading these theories for a long time. you guys are fantastic and helped me understand this trilogy. now i have one of my own. i read on an earlier post, i cant exactly remember what it said but it said something about when jesus died or something like that god said it is done 3 times. now in the matrix you hear DEM say it is done just once. that is because neo says it twice while he is being taken over by smith. if you listen to it closely he says it normal the first time and then is yelling it at the very end before he gets completely taken over. its pretty faint but if you listen to it closely enough you can make it out. i just thought i would throw that out there for you guys. take a listen to it and tell me if you hear the same thing.

Jesus only says it once - no I have not heard Neo say "It is done" when he gets taken over. The only time I remember him saying anything like "it is done" is when he says "it ends tonight".

I have thought of something interesting though. There is a parallel between Neo and Smith even in M1!

When Neo is flying in the helicopter shooting the agents with a minigun (before he gets Morpheus out), Smith says "no". Smith is then shot and comes back to life later as a different person (along with the other agents).

Later on Neo is killed and, after he gets up, a whole stream of bullets are fired at him. At this point he also says "no" dramatically just like Smith had.

Then again Cypher says "no" dramatically too doesn't he? ("No, I don't believe it!") Oh well it was a nice theory while it laster....

Ya I noticed the `No' thing before too. Surprising because I haven't seen M1 that many times since I dont own it. Also notice the difference in the way Neo says it and the way Smith says it. It becomes more symbolic when Smith says it at the end of Revolutions:

Smith: Oh no, no, no... It's not fair...

Welcome to the boards, neomx3. Actually Fatty, I have heard somewhere before also that Neo has said these lines while Smith assimilates him but they are deliberately too faint. I haven't heard them though. Any tips, neomx3?

He doesn't say anything when he's assimilated. There is a sound effect like several screams.

i just watched it again and i keep hearing the same thing again. its not just a bunch of screams they are actually words being spoken. if you replay it over and over you will eventually get it. you can definitly make it out. exactly when it happens is 1hr 52min and 58sec until 1hr 53min and 08 sec. inbetween that time you can definitly hear it.

to help my theory here is a quote from an article i found.

The Deus Ex machina says "It is done". "It is done" is said by God three times in the Bible.-

neomx3 wrote:

The Deus Ex machina says "It is done". "It is done" is said by God three times in the Bible.- matrixfans.net...

That's BS! Jesus says "it is done" (or "it is is finished" in my version) once. It is the last thing he says before he dies. If it is said at other times then you will have to find me the reference in the Bible - I think you'll have difficulty.

Here's a reference from that site:

"The symbolism of the Deus Ex machina is very interesting; he symbolises the Buddhist idea of an infinite God."

More proof that the person who wrote this essay is a moron. Buddhists don't believe in Gods. They call boddisatvas 'gods' but these could not be described as 'infinite'.

Fatpie42 wrote:

Here's a reference from that site: "The symbolism of the Deus Ex machina is very interesting; he symbolises the Buddhist idea of an infinite God." More proof that the person who wrote this essay is a moron. Buddhists don't believe in Gods. They call boddisatvas 'gods' but these could not be described as 'infinite'.

Good one Fatpie!

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Buddhists don't believe in Gods. They call boddisatvas 'gods'

Haven’t you contradicted yourself here?
Bodhisattva are infinite in the terms that they have escaped the cycle of rebirth and can choose wheither to exist on this earth or not. They can exist for eternity in the state of nirvana.
It was my interpretation that Buddhists don’t consider bodhisattva gods, because they are all life forms true essence.
Therefore they are no more god than normal people, they are just enlightened to their true lack of self.

"God" it's just a word - what's important is the connection it makes.

If you worship some entity higher than you and you believe in the path that's supposed to have been suggested by that entity (through different means, maybe), then you have a connection...

Some people say buddism is not a religion cause it lacks a "god" - however, the worship of a way as well as the person who gave us that way may be interpreted as the connection to the word "religion" (re-connect) and the word "god"...

Fatpie42 wrote:

Jesus says "it is done" (or "it is finished" in my version) once. It is the last thing he says before he dies....

Personally, I prefer the translation (interpretation?) used in the Mel Gibson film: 'It is accomplished.' Means the same as 'finished,' or 'done,' from a certain point of view, but has a much more positive and affirming connotation!

And, for Catholics at least, these are really the 'last but one' words of Christ; his last words are actually 'Father, into your hands I commend my spirit' (or something to that effect depending on your translation [interpretation?]).

Smith does say, 'Is it over?' and Neo/Smith nods.... (not to add fuel to the fire, or anything) I don't hear anything in the soundtrack at that point either. I don't think you're really supposed to, or else it would be a bit more obvious. My advice is to turn down the volume before you damage your hearing permanently.

I confirm : Neo don't say a damn thing. *ouch, ears hurting*.

lusiada wrote:

God" it's just a word - what's important is the connection it makes.

Agreed That's the matrix spirit, don't be fooled by words, they're just sounds hidding the true. In their own ways, Buddhist have their own God.

Yaldaboath wrote:

Quote: Buddhists don't believe in Gods. They call boddisatvas 'gods' Haven’t you contradicted yourself here? ... It was my interpretation that Buddhists don’t consider bodhisattva gods, because they are all life forms true essence. Therefore they are no more god than normal people, they are just enlightened to their true lack of self.

Hey, in the books I have read about Buddhism, they describe the various boddisatvas as 'Gods' eg. Avalokiteswara. I didn't write the books. I just know that the term God is sometimes used in this context and that it may be misleading.

What is certain is that, even if we described all the boddisatvas as "infinite god"s, there still wouldn't be any particular "Infinite God of Buddhism" for the Deus Ex Machina to represent. (It has just occurred to me that perhaps they meant to write the infinte God of hinduism ie. Brahman?)