»Commander Lock => Locke«

Locke was a pragmatic philosopher hence the commander's name and Logos is a greek concept of strucutre and "logic" hence the name of Niobe's ship. These two ideas present the tradional opposition to a more Dionysian principle of Eros. Nietzsche wrote at length about this in The Birth of Tragedy. Here it is played out by the confontation between Faith and Love equating to Eros(Morpheus, Neo and Trinity)vs. Logos(structure, order, Locke, the Architect and the machines as a whole).

I never picked up on Locke/Lock

dlites wrote:

Locke was a pragmatic philosopher hence the commander's name and Logos is a greek concept of strucutre and "logic" hence the name of Niobe's ship. These two ideas present the tradional opposition to a more Dionysian principle of Eros. Nietzsche wrote at length about this in The Birth of Tragedy. Here it is played out by the confontation between Faith and Love equating to Eros(Morpheus, Neo and Trinity)vs. Logos(structure, order, Locke, the Architect and the machines as a whole).

No offense, but this is nothing but completely unfounded speculation. So let me get this straight: You say Locke was a pragmatic philospher (I conditionally agree with this statement), and that Lock is a pragmatic commander (I'll accept for the sake of arguement), then you made the genius observation that Lock and Locke ar homonyms...Wow that's deep.

Peepers wrote:

dlites wrote: Locke was a pragmatic philosopher hence the commander's name and Logos is a greek concept of strucutre and "logic" hence the name of Niobe's ship. These two ideas present the tradional opposition to a more Dionysian principle of Eros. Nietzsche wrote at length about this in The Birth of Tragedy. Here it is played out by the confontation between Faith and Love equating to Eros(Morpheus, Neo and Trinity)vs. Logos(structure, order, Locke, the Architect and the machines as a whole). No offense, but this is nothing but completely unfounded speculation. So let me get this straight: You say Locke was a pragmatic philospher (I conditionally agree with this statement), and that Lock is a pragmatic commander (I'll accept for the sake of arguement), then you made the genius observation that Lock and Locke ar homonyms...Wow that's deep.

The Locke observation was merely a way of introducing the Nietzsche point and you are deluded if you think anything going on in these films warrants anything but speculation. The Matrix is Philosophy For Dummies. Or, as a classmate aptly put: Descartes for the masses.

Anonymous wrote:

Peepers wrote: dlites wrote: Locke was a pragmatic philosopher hence the commander's name and Logos is a greek concept of strucutre and "logic" hence the name of Niobe's ship. These two ideas present the tradional opposition to a more Dionysian principle of Eros. Nietzsche wrote at length about this in The Birth of Tragedy. Here it is played out by the confontation between Faith and Love equating to Eros(Morpheus, Neo and Trinity)vs. Logos(structure, order, Locke, the Architect and the machines as a whole). No offense, but this is nothing but completely unfounded speculation. So let me get this straight: You say Locke was a pragmatic philospher (I conditionally agree with this statement), and that Lock is a pragmatic commander (I'll accept for the sake of arguement), then you made the genius observation that Lock and Locke ar homonyms...Wow that's deep. The Locke observation was merely a way of introducing the Nietzsche point and you are deluded if you think anything going on in these films warrants anything but speculation. The Matrix is Philosophy For Dummies. Or, as a classmate aptly put: Descartes for the masses.

I will admit my last post was incoorect. Speculation is the wrong word. The Lock-Locke connection is 100% unsubstantiated, un-implied, pulled right out of the @$$ bu!!$h!t. Speculation at least requires some logic. Oh, and the rest of the Nietzche point is, as the architect would say, based on [the same] predication" and therefore complete and total horse$hit.

There are much better explanations and theories concerning this matter. Why does every diletante struggle so hard to connect the Matrix with Nietzche even when some connections make absolutely no sense? I guess you were right about one thing: The Matrix is philosophy for dumba$$es, well at least in your case.

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Mods please don't get mad at me. I was simply doing what every ubermensch should do: expel inferior ideas.