»NEO the MURDERER!«

I think the sword was helpful in the fight against Johnson. Remember that Agent Johnson had no weapon at all! And don't forget Morpheus would have lost that fight too, were it not for Niobe.

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Maybe Agent smith is better Agent then Agent Johnson and the machines just don't know it...Hmmm?

Haha...the machines know it. Look what happened in Revo. Agent Smith even beat Neo. He is obviously the best of the best.

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Imagine to scratch out 70 Percent of the action sequences - would this also decrease its fascination and value? Or would it even make it better?

Ya know...I'm all in for all the peace and and nonviolence and stuff...but in movies ya gotta have some action or else it wouldnt be as exciting. The action sequences and special effects were one of the major parts of the movie so...taking out 70% of the action sequences would be like taking out 50% of the movie....and I see the matrix as the best movie created the way it is.

He is a murderer!... But not because he killed Bane...


BECAUSE HE KILLED SMITH! HE KILLED MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY SMITHS! *Cry* Damn you Mister Anderson! Damn You!



-Demile

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Maybe Agent smith is better Agent then Agent Johnson and the machines just don't know it...Hmmm?

NocturnalA:Haha...the machines know it. Look what happened in Revo. Agent Smith even beat Neo. He is obviously the best of the best.


But the upgreats (Johnson,Jackson,Thompson) are supposed to be better then Smith, Jones and Brown right?
And yeah I bet they were better then Jones and Brown but it didnt look like they were better then Smith (And I'm talking about Smith when he was an Agent)

Demile pointed out -

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BECAUSE HE KILLED SMITH! HE KILLED MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY SMITHS! *Cry* Damn you Mister Anderson! Damn You!

Well thank god for some truth in this thread!

It was Inevitabe Mr. An - der - son... You are guilty

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He is obviously the best of the best.

He certainly is... and will always be

Pawnatron wrote:

But the upgreats (Johnson,Jackson,Thompson) are supposed to be better then Smith, Jones and Brown right? And yeah I bet they were better then Jones and Brown but it didnt look like they were better then Smith (And I'm talking about Smith when he was an Agent)

eh...who's johnson, jackson, and thompson?

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eh...who's johnson, jackson, and thompson?

Johnson, Jackson, and Thompson are the upgraded Agents that appear in The Matrix Reloaded.

-Demile

the upgraded agents were probably better than agent smith...but eventually smith was disqualified as an agent because of what neo did to him...and smith became "the alpha of your omega."

Im with nocturnal on this one. Does this get me any points?

Nocturnal, I'm not talking about wether Smith was better then the upgrades after he became ''a virus''....I'm talking about when he was still an agent of this system...like in the first movie.

...okey lets say that Agent Johnson and Agent Smith meet in #1 and fight...who do you guy think would win?

smith cause hes awsome.

Agent Johnson.

Smith hadn't had the upgrades that Johnson had. That was the whole point. Remember the bit in M1 where Neo fights him with one hand? Well in M2 he fights (I don't know which agent is which) Johnson (?) with one hand and Johnson manages to grab his arm.

Smith in M2 however, is a completely different story. In M2 Smith is "free" and therefore he can break the rules just like Morpheus and Niobe as well as having all the benefits of being an agent. By posessing the oracle in M3 he gains even more awareness of the system and is then able to do just as much as Neo can.

yeah but then again when Morpheus fights Agent smith in #1 he looses big time...its like Agent Smith is playing with Morpheus....fooling around...
but in #2 when Morpheus fights with Agent Johnson on that truck its a much more fair fight...

...maybe its just Morpheus that has grown stronger...and also when Morphesu is fighting the many smith he puts also up a better fight...or it looked like that too me....I might be wrong...

The thing is that Morpheus tries to do all the cool dodging against Agent Smith that he does against Agent Johnson, but he is in a small cramped room and doesn't have enough space. Also Morpheus has a sword when he fights Johnson. Also Morpheus, having found the one, has more faith and has therefore grown more confident in fighting in the matrix.

Despite appearances, Agent Smith in M1 would lose against Agent Johnson in M2. So it's lucky we never had to see such a depressing sight .

Good points in your argument, Fatpie42. And I definitely agree with this....

Fatpie42 wrote:

Despite appearances, Agent Smith in M1 would lose against Agent Johnson in M2. So it's lucky we never had to see such a depressing sight .

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the upgraded agents were probably better than agent smith...

Under normal circumstances yes..

But Smith was still the best regardless, and in many different ways too.

Rather have Smith than those 'muscule-bound bone-heads' any day...
Brains over brawn, thankyou very much!

Yes another smith is right. Smith would win no matter what. He IS the best.

Agent Zero wrote:

Yes another smith is right. Smith would win no matter what. He IS the best.

I LOVE AGENT ZERO

Thank you my dear. your the best as well


TEAM AGENTS FOREVER

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if that was true then EVERYONE in the matrix that smith took over is ALSO dead. but there NOT (i.e. the ORACLE) and if your argument is that SHES a program and thats different, then i tell you to LOOK at the PEOPLE of the matrix (remember all those SMITHS) and the are not gonna end the movie with EVERYONE dead. so hes not REALLY dead. (just being controlled)

He's dead now

in the reloaded smith took over bane and them smith or bane went back into the real world so that means that neo didnt kill bane casue bane wasnt even thinking for himself thats why when neo saw bane in the firey vision he saw smith not bane...!
i dont get it how did smith die and wat did the machines do to neo? which killed the agents..1!>!>!

no one died actually the girl and seraph was taken by the agents as well and in the end you see them on the hill with the oracle..ALSO! oracle did state that neo would return so dere you have it everyone didnt die except bane casue wen smith over-wrote his program and entered the real world he wasnt a hacking program anymore he was actualli a HUMAN!