»Matrix<->1984 (orwell)«

The Two wrote:

In 1984, Room 101 contains "the worst thing in the world". It is where Winston Smith is taken to be tortured with what is, for him, the worst thing in the world: rats.

Did you say "Smith"?

Could that be a purposeful parallel? Hmm.. I hadn't tried to draw parallels between this book and those movies, but thinking briefly on it, there could certainly be some.

Any thoughts?

If you notice Neo's room number, you will see he lives in room 101. Room 101 was the place in George Orwell's book "1984", where people were sent to be tortured, and would end up believing something that wasn't true. In the book, a man is told that 2 + 2 = 5 so much, that he eventually truly believes it. Neo's room number being 101 is not just a coincidence, as Neo's life is a torture chamber, and he is also trapped there. He has been living inside The Matrix so long, that he has no doubts about it being true, and is convinced it is real. This is like convincing someone that 2 + 2 = 5.


note that on pg 303 (the room where neo is shot and the first scene in the Matrix) the 2+2=5 formula is introduced.

found this on

in binary code (1's and 0's) 101 is equal to five. 2+2=5 connection perhaps?

thats right, ohh so many connections
edit**\/ being about all of the connnectoions not just 1984 \/
do you reckon the brothers done all this on purpose or could it just be coincidence if it isn't there like the smartest people in the world

I think the brothers have been sent to this world by God himself to teach us the true nature of the universe.

I suppose that anything is possible. =) I really like the binary code parallel that someone cited here too, that's really interesting!

Serenity Sedai wrote:

The Two wrote: In 1984, Room 101 contains "the worst thing in the world". It is where Winston Smith is taken to be tortured with what is, for him, the worst thing in the world: rats. Did you say "Smith"? Could that be a purposeful parallel? Hmm.. I hadn't tried to draw parallels between this book and those movies, but thinking briefly on it, there could certainly be some. Any thoughts?

"1984" is a book that show us an imprisoned land, much like the matrix.

The english soscialist George Orwell was terrified when he met the true nature og communism, nazism, and fascism. He then wrote this book, in where you meet Winston - living in a superstate called Oceania, the land of "freedom", where the party (and its leader Big Brother) rule. The control everything, "Big Brother Is Watching You".

Winston falls in love - which is forbidden - and tries to rebel. But he is caught and tortured by the thought police.

The last lines in the book show us the horror of total control:

"But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Bib Brother."
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This don't totally harmonize with "The Matrix", but Winston writes something of interest in the book:

"If there is hope, wrote Winston, it lies in the proles."

And Neo is working man of our modern world!

I've heard this before, but it just doesn't sound write. How is a computer programmer (or whatever it is Neo does for a living) the job of a prole? Thomas Anderson is a white collar worker. He's not a factory worker or a cleaner or any menial job like that. Quite frankly I don't think he counts as a prole....

I agree, Fatpie42; I'm only halfway through the book (Thanks, Fatpie, for the txt file on your website! ) but I can't see Neo as a prole. The proles are the 'low', according to Goldstein's book (I think).

I think the important connections lie in the fact that the Party (the Machines/the Matrix) keep the population under control by controlling their minds. The rebels are the ones who keep their own minds, not submitting to the 'rules and controls' of that system. If anything, I would say that Neo, at least in M1, is most like Winston - an Outer Party member - who knows that there is something wrong, and eventually falls in with the people from whom he can finally learn the truth.

Again, I'm only about halfway through. I started reading it just a few days ago, though, and I didn't read it at all yesterday, so it shouldn't take me much longer!

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annaerullo wrote:

I agree, Fatpie42; I'm only halfway through the book (Thanks, Fatpie, for the txt file on your website! ) but I can't see Neo as a prole. The proles are the 'low', according to Goldstein's book (I think). I think the important connections lie in the fact that the Party (the Machines/the Matrix) keep the population under control by controlling their minds. The rebels are the ones who keep their own minds, not submitting to the 'rules and controls' of that system. If anything, I would say that Neo, at least in M1, is most like Winston - an Outer Party member - who knows that there is something wrong, and eventually falls in with the people from whom he can finally learn the truth.

kinda scary that book... but in the book it said that goldstein aint real and neither is the brotherhood so is there a big borther or is he a made up symbol?

i mean if big brother aint real than who is the beneficiary of all the control in 1984?

Dude, if you're talking about stuff that happens in the last half of the book, then you are an inconsiderate prick. Or did you forget that I said I was only halfway through it?

I hate hate hate people who give spoilers without warning.

Then again, I came here, so I should expect others to have read it through already, I suppose. But, since it seemed like Envoy's post was in direct response to mine, I still don't think it was very considerate.

sorry its just been like a splinter in my mind i really wanted to know the answer to my question

Ok this isn't really a spoiler if you've already read what envoyoftheend wrote. Annaerullo, perhaps you could tell us where you've got to? You're reading my favourite book y'know
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Do you remember Goldstein's book in the middle of the story? In that book Goldstein claims that through history every revolution has involved a certain group gaining power and then making sure that no one else ever manages to overthrow them. In the case of the 'inner party' in 1984 though, they have made sure that no one can ever take over basically through a kind of propaganda mind control.

The problem is that this way of life is so out of hand that even those running the country are controlled by it. O'Brien is one of the leaders, yet he must live by doublethink as well. Basically there is no one in control anymore. All there is is respect for the party and as such no one has freedom anymore. As O'Brien says "If you want a picture of the future,
imagine a boot stamping on a human face — for ever."


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I have only gotten to the part where Winston has opened Goldstein's book and read chapter 3.

It looks like I'm just going to have to hurry up and finish before I come back to this thread! (I'm sorry I snapped, EnvoyoftheEnd!)