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Matrix-within-Matrix: Is Zion just another Matrix?

 

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Well, this is where I'll be posting my ideas and theories about the Matrix Trilogy. I'm new to these forums, so howdy-do's and hiyas all around. them.

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Theory: Why Neo died and Smith exploded.
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Firstly, Let me review some things about the connection between Neo and Smith.

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Smith: Because, as you know, without purpose, we can not exist

Smith's purpose: to destroy Neo. When he says,

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We're here to take from you what you tried to take from us: purpose.*Jab*

he's saying Neo tried to kill him, so he wants to kill Neo.

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He's you. He's your negative


In the equation that is the Matrix, most people seem to think that Neo=1 and Smith=-1 and therefore Smith(-1)=Neo(1). I'm here to inform you that those people are wrong. In math, if you have an equation (1=1) it is the same as (1-1=0). In said equation, 1 is 1's negative. When both numbers are on the same side of the equal sign, they cancel each other out. Therefore, a negative. So, at the end of Revolutions, Smith destroys Neo. The machines had nothing to do with Smith's destruction. When Neo was cancelled out, Smith lost his purpose, and in destroying Neo, his negative, he destroyed himself. Now, some of you think this is flawed because Smith didn't kill Neo. But he did. In Reloaded, Neo claimed that being assimilated by Smith felt like dying. Evidently, it is. Therefore, all the humans who were Smithified did die. However, I believe that the machines would not be so flawed as to rely on the One reaching the source(which would result in a system reload and the destruction of the anti-anomaly, Smith) and had a backup plan. Before the Oracle was assimilated, the machines probably pulled all of the humans out of the Matrix and put them on a different one, kind of like a backup disk version. After Smith was destroyed, the machines reloaded the programs that were destroyed with Smith into the Matrix. In the end, the humans were returned and maybe even given the choice of leaving the Matrix. But it is disputable as to whether the Architect was referring to humans or programs. I guess we'll find out in The Matrix Online, eh?

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A very good theory, kind of like physics, matter and Anti-matter colliding and anhilating each other.

But when Smith assimilates (or as you put , being "Smithified") Neo, he looks at him and asks "Is it over"
I belive that Smiths purpose was to win, to rule. He wanted to assimilate every living thing on the planet, now that the machines had no need for him he knew nothing else.
I belive that the machine (Deus a friend of mine calls it, the "big ball thing with sentinals flying around in it to make a face" as i call it) had something to do with Smiths destruction. When the light starts to come out through "Neo-Smith"s eyes Smith says "No, no it's not fair"
If he was Anti-matter then he knew that Neos assimilation would mean his death.

Allso, can defeat span victory?

Such is life.
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Well, whether or not the machine(I believe it is the Machina Ex Deus or the Deus Ex Machina or something like that) may or may not have had anything to do with it. But you'll notice that Smith had been freaking out even before he assimilated Neo. In fact, I doubt he meant to do it. Neo really freaks him out by saying

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You were right, Smith. You were always right. It was inevitable
This seemed to have scared or angered Smith into assimilating Neo, which led to his doom, one way or another. Besides, if the machine had anything to do with it, why didn't it insert a program into the Matrix and use the same method? Or use one of the humans already in the Matrix. Why only Neo? Besides, Smith claimed that he wanted the same thing Neo wanted: everything. Smith couldn't see past Neo's choice to destroy himself anyway. It went against all logic. When he destroyed Neo, he had everything, because he had no more obstacles and no more purpose.

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I think the Machine god didn't do anything becuase he couldn't. If you look at it Smith went from being an Agent into a virus. If you can remember in the first matrix when smith was giving Morphues his "Revalation" about humans. I believe he said "You humans, you spread to an area and than multiply and multiply until every resoucre is consumed and then you move to a new area and continue to multiply..." Isn't that what Smith was doing in the Matrix? He is a virus that the machines couldn't stop so they sent the only person they could to stop him from eventually taking over the Machine world too, who is Neo. That is why the Machines just didn't kill him

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I forgot to mention why the used him. You saw in Revolution how the machines plugged him in, so they now could excess Neo's Heart Rate, Neural Paterns, etc.., so when Smith assimilated Neo the machine finally realized how to stop the virus (Smith). You can believe whatever you want, but this to me is the most practicle reason.

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I think the Oracle is the said Mother of the Matrix. The Architect says that she was "a program originally designed to investigate the human psyche." Well, the Oracle sees the future by understanding choices. Because she understands the human psyce so well, she understands human choices very easily. Thus, she can see the results of said choices.

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Interesting theories.
I'm of the opinion that the Smith program absorbing Neo would result in a cancelling effect - rather like two identical waves with opposite phases would cancel each other out. For this to work, both Neo and Smith would have to be programs. It is mathematical, but in a pure binary sense the equation doesn't work. For the destuction or cancellation of negative and positive we need to look to waveforms. Our beings are made up of waveforms, if they were digitised, or physically modelled, you would get a binary step series.
If Neo and Smiths waveform impulses were identical but opposite phase, they would cancel each other out. The 'absorbed' Oracle would be left behind due to common mode rejection - she is the difference between the cancellation effect of Smith + Neo.

(I discuss this in a little more depth elsewere.)

The Oracle as the Mother of the Matrix gets the response 'Oh, please!' from the Architect. I always thought that was because she can't be considered important enough...

So, a program developed to explore man's mind...what could it be?
Remember in the Animatrix, how the machines tested human emotions, finding out how we work?
(The following is pure conjecture and postulation...)
Could it be that the Mother of the Matrix is the Zion world, (designed by the Architect) as it tested our responses, our emotional behaviour patterns, seeing how we would react to certain conditions and, perhaps as a result of that, the Architect designed ('gave birth' to) the Matrix program?

Bear in mind that all human thought - our memories, our emotions can be converted to code, and stored somewhere. The machines could have written a Zion program in which we were all free to do as we wished. If the machines did this to all humans, in order to test them under certain controllable environments and situations, then we could see its results giving 'birth' to a second construct designed to imprison us.

In other words, the Zion world was a research program.
The Matrix world is a program to keep us captive (- entertainment.)

Shoot me down if you like, as I said, it's just conjecture.

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Interesting theories.
I agree that the Smith program absorbing Neo would result in a cancelling effect - rather like two identical waves with opposite phases would cancel each other out. For this to work, both Neo and Smith would have to be programs....or would they?

The Oracle as the Mother of the Matrix gets the response 'Oh, please!' from the Architect. I always thought that was because she can't be considered important enough...

So, a program developed to explore man's mind...what could it be?
Remember in the Animatrix, how the machines tested human emotions, finding out how we work?
(The following is pure conjecture and postulation...)
Could it be that the Mother of the Matrix is the Zion world, (designed by the Architect) as it tested our responses, our emotional behaviour patterns, seeing how we would react to certain conditions and, perhaps as a result of that, the Architect designed ('gave birth' to) the Matrix program?

Bear in mind that all human thought - our memories, our emotions can be converted to code, and stored somewhere. The machines could have written a Zion program in which we were all free to do as we wished. If the machines did this to all humans, in order to test them under certain controllable environments and situations, then we could see its results giving 'birth' to a second construct designed to imprison us.

In other words, the Zion world was a research program.
The Matrix world is a program to keep us captive (- entertainment.)

Shoot me down if you like, as I said, it's just conjecture.

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