»You are all wrong!«

I've heard people talking back and forth, saying Smith had to kill Neo in order for him to die. I'm sure some of you have heard the whole Neo is +1 Smith is -1 so when one dies it balances out to 0. Therefore since Neo really can't kill Smith Smith must kill Neo, and as soon as he cloned him in Revolutions it was over, the equation was balanced to 0. WRONG!

Some people think way to hard for that. Go watch Revolutions now that the DVD is out. All that happened was Smith cloned Neo and the machines unplugged him, thus deleting Smith's connection. That is why they all died.

Simple as that.

If that's the case why didn't it kill the Smiths when Bane was unplugged?

Simple.

Because Bane was not just un-plugged. He disconnected from the Matrix through a phone, just like everyone else.

Remember, when people are just unplugged without any phone, they die.

I see that way : in life, you have two choices , choosing to accept to live in the conditios you are proposed or to die.
All the rest is control, even if it may looks like a free will, it is not.

So Smith represents the "to die option" meaning all the human who prefere to die rather than live as slaves any longer.
Neo represents the "accept option", meaning he will compromise with the authorities.

SO I agree with you : the +1 and -1 theory is not a fair reflection of the real relationship between Smith, Neo and the matrix.

Whatever the technical reason is, the concept remains the same. If Neo dies, so must Smith. So the system find a way to do it, whatever it is. But the concept of their being opposites is not incorrect.

So you're saying if one Smith dies, they all die, which we all know is wrong.

The Fifth wrote:

All that happened was Smith cloned Neo and the machines unplugged him, thus deleting Smith's connection. That is why they all died. Simple as that.

that's pretty goofy. what you're saying is the equivalent of "all Neo had to do was hit the main Smith in the brain with a truck, and the rest of them would have died."

or to go that far as to unplug Neo, why not unplug any one of the other billions of inhabitants of the Matrix? why not the mind that was hosting the original Smith? it's not like 01 had to wait until they knew for sure which mind Smith was plugged into...he had ALL of them.

i agree with grendelvs

why didnt they just go to the matrix towers and unplug some random idiot to kill smith?

there is nothing worse than people who dont think about their arguments

The fact that the ‘it is inevitable’ theme has been running throughout the entire story shows the purpose of Neo accepting its fate is of great significance. The Sacrificial result was accepted and assimilated by the Source as balancing/solving the current Anomaly. Smiths code is now dealt with and his power made void.

Simply put like this:

We bashed the hell out of the AI in the beginning and now they feel the need to bash us back. We accept this imbalance, owning our responsibility for it and we all get some Peace.

After all, it was our life that taught them the meaning of all life. What they learnt from us was that it was supposed to end. We didn’t show them anything else!

What we taught them was: Die you f***ers, you aren’t worth jack!

Action - Reaction. Cause & effect. There’s no escaping it.

It is Inevitable!

Yeah I believe they were all deleted. They were all connected so, the deletion was like a chain effect explaining why they didn't all die at once. They wouldn't have unplugged all the pods because then the Machines would have been left with their power source and it would've proved impossible to survive. They would probably rather just think of a logical way of getting rid of him with out destroying themselves in the process.

error, sorry

The reason he kept saying "it is inevitable" is because no matter what happened, Smith had to lose. Smith's purpose in the Matrix was to erase Neo, and once he accomplished it he had no purpose in the Matrix, so he was erased. The reason the rest of the Smith's were killed is because...

I'll try to simplify this....

[programming jargon]

The original Smith was a "base class". When Smith replicated himself, the replicated Smith inherits the properties of the original Smith, PLUS the properties of the person he replicated. Well, once the original Smith was killed, there was no base class for the replicated Smith's to inherit properties from, so all that was left is the original person.

[/programming jargon]

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DyerNation wrote -

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Smith's purpose in the Matrix was to erase Neo, and once he accomplished it he had no purpose in the Matrix,

Smith could not exist without Neo as Neo was his opposite. Once Neo was connected to the Source at Machine City and Smith copied himself onto Neo both were connected to and were then returned to The Source.

Let me try to explain at this late hour...

The Smith at the end, the Neo/Smith was the culmination of all the other Smiths and all their programming, once this Neo/Smith/all Smiths program was deleted then so it follows that all the other Smiths would be deleted, rather like a chain reaction..
Sorry, it's late & I can't explain it any better than that!

DyerNation wrote:

The reason he kept saying "it is inevitable" is because no matter what happened, Smith had to lose. ...

no, it was inevitable that Neo and Smith would be together, not that Smith would loose.

In all technicallity Smith won because of Neos sacrifice, Smith just didnt relieze where the end would take him before it was too late.

I FINALLY got my Revolutions DVD today, so, naturally, I watched it!

As I watched the end, it appeared to me that when Neo allowed Smith to assimilate (is that an appropriate word? I'm still not quite sure what Smith does exactly when he sticks his hand in you) him, the first Smith (which is the Oracle/Smith, as we see her unconscious shell after the other Smiths are destroyed) asks "Is it over?" and Neo/Smith nods, the scene cuts back to Deus ex Machina and Real World Neo, and there is a surge of light (or something) from the machines into Neo's body.

It occurs to me (and I think Another Smith said this - it's late for me, too!) that Neo was jacked in to the matrix within the Machine city, and possibly even via the Source itself, considering his immediate surroundings and company in Deus ex Machina. Therefore, when Smith took over Neo, he was then connected to the Source. As the Oracle explains, when a program is up for deletion, it hides in the matrix, or it returns to the Source (presumably to be deleted).

So, Smith was deleted because he took over Neo at the Source. It was inevitable.

The "inevitability" that Smith keeps talking about, however, I believe is just an expression of Smith's arrogance. He believes that he is right. He believes that "the purpose of life is to end." Of course, he is right, just not in the way he thought.

(Just talking about what the guy said that started this) When all the Smiths started exploding Neo was still plugged in the Matrix...i was later that deus Ex un-plugged him and took his body to....somewhere

I still think everyone that Smith took over would be dead (like the Oracle) after their Smith skin disappears....or were they dead, but when Neo's code was reinserted, his code 'brought life back to those people', like we see when this wave of color comes over the that black cat and little girl near the end of the movie? I'm confused, sorry.

We know that Jesus, the Son of God according to the Bible, rose again. I think the sunrise the little girl 'made' at the end of the movie shows her HOPE for Neo (remember his reference to Jesus) rising again one day, and she asks if Neo will ever come back or 'rise again' like Jesus did. Am I completely wrong or not?

annaerullo wrote:

Therefore, when Smith took over Neo, he was then connected to the Source. As the Oracle explains, when a program is up for deletion, it hides in the matrix, or it returns to the Source (presumably to be deleted). So, Smith was deleted because he took over Neo at the Source. It was inevitable.

Cool, thanks for that, I found it helpful. Reminding us that a program hides in the Matrix, and of course now connected to Neo/Source, no more hiding! Gocha!

One thing though, doesn’t smiths Power come from the Source similar to Neo’s?
I mean he is Neo’s negative right?

Oracle: ‘He is you, you’re opposite’.

The Source couldn’t stop Neo even though Neo had its power from the beginning, that’s the point it’s an Anomaly. Also it couldn’t stop Smith/virus either. Now I come to think of it Smith wasn’t hiding at all! He gets everywhere and takes over everyone, he’s got control.

So I think ultimately it has to be something more substantial than just geography of Neo’s direct connection to the Source we see at the end that balances the equation?

Surly?

It kind of reminded me of the title of your post 'I'm somebody now' because in the jerk Steve Martin gets a phone book and he's like "THE NEW PHONE BOOKS HERE! THE NEW PHONE BOOKS HERE! DO YOU REALIZE WHAT KIND OF SPONTANOUS PUBLICITY THIS IS? MY NAME - IN PRINT!"

Okay, this may be a little long-winded, but give me time. Alright, after Smith was deleted, and then came back, something he says to Neo was that he (Agent Smith) was "unplugged" Going on, saying that he was free, etc. He seems to be free in an opposite way at first. Where as when humans are freed, they are outside of the Matrix. When Smith, and other programs were "freed" they remain inside. In some way, Smith must have been unhooked from the system. At this point, the "system" or other machines do not have control on him. Smith, at that point, was obviously a virus. A program virus. He went around, deleting other programs inside the matrix, then multiplied, and spread throughout the system. With each person he changes into a smith; lets say in a way he unpluggs them as well (only they are unplugged inside the Matrix) The machines cannot stop Smith because of his "virus" like nature. In addition, his being "unplugged" there is now no connection between the machines and Smith. With no connection, the machines cannot send an antidote to the Smith program. Now, Neo comes along. They reinsert him completely into the Matrix. Not just by the head, but by his appendages and everywhere else as well, as anyone who has yet to be unplogged are. Once Neo was changed into a copy of the Smith program, and still being under the now VERY watchful eye of Dues Ex Machina, there is now a connection between the machines, and the Smith program. If you watch, before the Smiths are deleted, a surge goes through the wires into Neo's body, and therefore into newly copied Smith, the machines connection. I believe that this energy could be the antidote to the Smith virus, and they needed Neo to be the connection between the Machine world, and the Smith program. There being a connection at this point, the antidote could now be spread to the other Smiths. Again, I could be wrong, and I probably am, it's just a thought. Well, let me know what you think.

I appologize to annaerullo for my basically saying what he had already said, in much simpler terms. Sorry about that. I didn't read your post until after I had posted mine. Oh, and one other thing to calling Smith a "virus" What would be interesting to his being this is that it is ironic. If you remember in the first Matrix, Agent Smith says that he hates humans. Also, at one point, he called human-kind a "virus" This would be well played out that in a sense, he became the very thing he hated.