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Quote: | | First if you remember at the end of the first film many people were baffled by how such a great film could end so strangely ala superman/pay phone. What did this have to do with the film I just saw and what could it have to do with any potential sequel(s)? |
I don't agree that there was much confusion at all concerning the end of the first movie, especially after coming back from the dead, stopping bullets, flying into an agent and destroying it, and let us not forget the less than suttle suggestions throughout the film that the matrix was NOT REAL and was simply an interpretation of an illusion of reality. A true acceptance of this yielding infinite possibilites.
NEO:
"I know you're out there...I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us, you're afraid of change...I don't know the future...I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end, I came here to tell you how this is going to begin. Now, I'm going to hang up this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you...a world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries...."
It doesn't get much more black and white than that. The deeper meaning may have been that he was not speaking to the machines but all viewers indirectly, hinting that while reality as we know it may seem "real" it is no different than the matrix. Which led us directly into the sequels where the powers he has start to appear outside the matrix. Of course that is according to theory only. But interesting, no?
Quote: | | Many viewers fail to do this in the Reloaded and Revolutions and that is why they don’t understand. But wait a minute what does the phone booth have to do with Reloaded and all the talk the architect says about Neo being an anomaly. Well Webster says an anomaly is: something different, abnormal, peculiar, or not easily classified. That is exactly what Neo is to the Matrix. |
Well thats only partly true. Neo is an anomoly to EVERYONE. In the matrix, and outside, to the machines to the programs to the humans.
Quote: | | This person Morpheus is talking about was the last "anomaly" aka "the one". This person lived long before Morpheus's time so that’s why he is talked about as legend and Zion awaits his successor Neo. The point is the confusing points of reloaded is explained in the first film. |
Well hold on just a second. This is one misconception that people may have bought into or I am wrong. The only characters in the films who even mentioned these "others" were:
The Oracle(Told Morpheus)
The Architect.
The Merovingean
These somewhat "godlike" people seem to manipulate the matrix in their own ways. This can be expanded on but ....
Taking a closer look at these characters. The Oracle is the only character who could have told Morpheus this. I am led to believe that Morpheus never came into contact with the Architect or the Merovingean(before the second film). The Oracle as we find out does not so much about the future, as she is able to skillfully manipulate the people in the matrix through suggestive rhetoric and dime store- fortune cookie tidbits of obvious prophecy. A powerful tool that can manipulate the masses if she just provides an illusion of choice. She was apparently punished for something that she did. Making her own choice to help Neo and company, and losing her body or shell or whatever. As this seems to be a write in given the death of the actress who portrayed the first version of the Oracle, Ill ignore this. Now who was it that punished her? The Architect, Merovingean?
The Architect, while seeming to be a man of power or possibly the leader of the machines or something. Is there any reason to believe that he would not be the same type of manipulator that the Oracle is?
Taken at face value, was it not a little confusing that while he knew this to be "the one" , and NEO believing this to be the end of the road and the enemy he frees people from, they had nothing but an enlightening conversation similar to talks with the oracle. Sending right back to the Oracle with the contradictary information. here is how the Oracle and the architect describe eachother:
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Architect: The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art - flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another - an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
Neo: The Oracle.
Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster.
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Neo: The Architect told me that if I didn't return to the Source, Zion would be destroyed by midnight tonight.
Oracle: *rolls eyes* Please... You and I may not be able to see beyond our own choices, but that man can't see past any choices.
Neo: Why not?
Oracle: He doesn't understand them - he can't. To him they are variables in an equation. One at a time each variable must be solved and countered. That's his purpose: to balance an equation.
Neo: What's your purpose?
Oracle: To unbalance it.
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This tells me that they were integral in the making or the maintainance of balance inside the matrix, and that they worked together. The meeting with the Architect was in no way an opportunity for enlightenment, it was a setup. Another attempt to push NEO to the acceptance of his own demise. There was no choice for NEO to make. He was NOT going to let Trinity die. And he would have to tackle whichever problem came first. The Oracle and the New this the whole time.
The Merovingean was slightly out of place. Kind of the prince of darkness/slash mobster. His crew were all monsters(wherewolves, vampires etc) As mentioned by the Oracle, he was there from the earliest times. He is very powerfull indeed to do what he wants and never come across an agent who came to delete him. And he also knew very well the whereabouts and doings of Neo and company, just like the other 2
Now these are programs. And they do not live outside the matrix?
maybe maybe not. Who is to say that they are not the Visual self image of themselves. The creators of the matrix, who built it for a purpose other than the ones discribed. And how, does one sneak a program from a program to the real world?
One answer is that the matrix is all inclusive.
That the "real world were zion was was just another layer of the matrix.
I think there is a simpler explaination that plays into a theory I am building on from the knowledge I have gained from people I have encountered on this site.
There is no real world.
There is no singular reality.
The matrix is an interactive simulation whos interface is the brain.
Reality is no different than that.
What you see hear smell touch taste is the info you recieve in exactly the same way as you do in the matrix.
I read recently that
In human beings the 80 percent of the nerves connect to eachother, not to the input from the eyes and ears. Everything we see and understand about our existence is only accepted after we process the information against our memory. Which technically really doesnt even exist. Whos to say what you remember isnt made up. Not unheard of. That your brain filled in the pieces around what you could understand. Thus creating a reality. We all live in our own worlds. Your perception cannot be shared totally with others, just what we have agreed we are able to express to eachother. Using tools that were given to us all our life about the rules of life and what is possible. and what is not.
Maybe thats what the Wachowskis were trying to say is that there is so much that is hidden from us. And that if we could just believe and understand that what we want is attainable we can do anything. We could change the world.
But this could go all night cause it could mean something totally different. But I think I am better off pondering than knowing.
Sorry so long
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