»The Matrix as Veda«

I was reading a book called "Hindu Gods" which describes the yugas, or Ages of Man, in detail. When applied to the trilogy and its mythos, then each of the Ones can represent a different physical avatar of Krishna, and each previous stage of the Matrix is one of the yugas. Neo, being the sixth incarnation, also known as Shiva, would represent the destructive aspect of God; he who is sent to "shake things up" and to tear down the walls containing the old reality and ushering in a New Age, so to speak. Ramakandra, whom he meets in the Mobil station, is a previous incarnation of The One as well. This would explain their connection when they meet.

With Neo as Shiva, then Trinity can be seen as Kali, his consort. They are the "destructive" aspects of creation itself, which explains their violence in a context. Neo is definitely not a mamby-pamby savior, that's for sure.

Since the world is made anew at the climax of "Revolutions," we see that the cycles of Creation, Preservation and Destruction have begun anew and that The One will someday incarnate again.

Yes....each version of the Matrix is indeed like a Yug in Hindu philosophy. And yes....Neo (or the One) can be seen as a purifier who pops up every now and then like the different incarnations. But you got one thing confused. Its not different incarnations of Krishna, its different incarnations of Vishnu. Vishnu is the preserver God in Hindu philosophy. Krishna is one of the incarnations of Vishnu (or one of the iterations of The One). Vishnu along with Brahma and Shiva form the `Trinity' of Hindu Gods.

Brahma= creator= The Architect
Vishnu= preserver= different iterations of The One
Shiva= destroyer= probly The Oracle

Neo= one of incarnations of Vishnu (probably Krishna)

Also Rama Kandra sounds a bit like Rama Chandra who I believe was another incarnation of Vishnu.

Whattya think?

There is also Vedic philosophy that says that the whole of creation is "Maya" or an illusion. God didn't create the universe but only 'thinks' it and it is this thought process that we are living in. Kinda like a dream.

All this parallels the Matrix theory that life is not what we know it to be. The life we know is just an illusion (The matrix).

There are a lot of parallels between the trilogy and the Vedic philosophy (Hindu philosophy for those who don't know). There is also a lot of parallels with Buddhism (based on the Vedic philosophy) and other religions.

Actully I have studied veda my whole life & My opinion is this;

The Matrix is a good analogy to show us how we are so trapped in the maya {illusion} of this temperal limited world!
but we should not think that this movie/film has any basis in actual truth
or reality like the vedas dose !
It is dangerous to speculate about such things!

Yes you & I are actully trapped in a false reality made by God ,this is true no doubt god created this world as a gross temperal reflection of reality!

but we all should come to know what the true reality is really about !
we should very quickly realize that actually

Divine Love is the supreme objective of this human form of life & not think that any other thing will bring us satisfaction & fufillment of heart.

if possible we should try to learn the truth form pure saintly persons
who love us & want to help us understand our relationship to "THE ONE"

"The One who is himself God Sri Krsna/Visnu!

But if Neo is a God, how come that he must fight his own creation ? In the movie, he is only a part of the system and do what the Oracle tells him to do.

According to what you say, Smith looks much more like Shiva who is, from what I have heard, the representation of the chaos destructive and creating.

Smtih is the destructive part and Neo is the creating part. As the Oracle said, Neo and Smtih are both part of the same equation. Is not Shiva supposed to build a new world on the ashes of the previous one ?

Neo is good within and Smith is the ego within which fuels the ignorance to trap one in Maya or Matrix. When Neo acts out of love, as the protector from ego and his instruments (machines), he is Vishnu or savior Christ. But the conflict between smith and neo persists and the ego (Smith) when gets too strong and dense, Neo has to be the destroyer of Smith for sake of peace. When Neo acts for peace, he is Shiva. Shiva literally means peace personified and he is the destroyer of the ego and corruption it brings in the present order.

But when Neo decides to risk all the humanity for the sake of his love, is that not an egoist decision ?
According to what you say, Neo is not only Shiva, is part of it as well as Smith.

In some ways, was not Smith born from the fact that 0,01% of humans beings refuse the program ? Is he not the symbol of the "I prefere to die and kill you with me rather than going on in this artifical worlds ?

Peace dawns when ego is defeated. Ego is part of every consciousness and Shiva is that quality of consciousness where ego is utterly destroyed. Hence the name Shiva. ”Sh” part stands for Shanti, peace and Ava stands for emergence/personification (like in Avatar) Neo, Oracle, Morph they all took risk. Sometimes a doctor has to take risk to operate a cancer (Smith/Ego) that has gone too far. It is not an egotist decision, it is the only way left as Neo puts it. And this time they do succeed destroying Smith and in creating a better order. A more humane matrix with sunrise. And yes, from an architect's perspective it is still a dangerous game. Going up against ego is always a dangerous game. But from Oracle perspective it is totally worth it.

I agree with all what you said but one point : Neo didn't take the risk to make things beter, he did it because he loved Trinity.
I bet that if Trinity's love was not at stake, Neo would have accepted to reload (like he did finally in Revolutions).

So, to me, it is still an egoist decision ... but as Morpheus stated in Matrix1, "there is a difference between knowing the path... and walking the path".

So I guess that love has been used like a porgrammation tool to bring Neo to make this choice.

Love between Neo and Trinity, to me, symbolizes a lot more. It represents love and goodness in every form. The names Neo and Trinity, I feel, are kind of chosen to imply that these are more loftier entities. There is a repetitive theme in many Hindu scriptures where the “avatar/the one” is represented as the man (Purush) and the entire creation (Prakrati) is represented as woman and their love represents all the good that makes this world move and makes it worth salvaging. And whenever corruption overpowers completely and persecutes love and truth, as in Shiva’s story, the avatar has to take the Neo’s choice. The world has become so corrupt that, it has to be put through a new fresh revolution. I agree, if Trinity is still alive, then in this context also, it means that there is still something good there in matrix that is worth saving.

I also agree that Neo might have been compelled to make that choice, because they say even Avatars, the divine manifested, has his/her/its(?) own Karma (a certain programmed compulsions) and they do what they have to do. By the way, the image you have chosen as avatar is pretty cool. Guess it is from matrix comics.

Yes, I remember that the W. brothers explained the movie as being a demonstration that reaching the ultimate love was the definite destiny of man. But they were talking about the love of human kind.

Even K. Reeves said that, but in the sense that Neo gave up his personal love for the a more global love of humanity and thus accepting to sacrifice himself. Trinity said it : "You don't think you're coming back. I knew it the moment you said you had to leave. I could see it in your face."

Yes, Neo realized that he was meant to save Zion and finally was ready to give up his love for the humankind before that Trinity died. Even the lirycs say so :

sanskrit

bhidyate hrdayagranthis
chidyante sarvasamsayah
ksiyante casya karmani
tasmin drste paravare

Translation :

And when he is seen in his immanence and transcendence,
then the ties that have bound the heart are unloosenend,
the doubts of the mind vanish,
and the law of Karma works no more.

See ?

Oh yes, I have drawn my avatar myself btw. Cya.

Impressive.