»My theory«

Here goes .....

All that we have seen is a computer simulation. "Zion" is just an alternative reality created by the machines for people that do not accept the main program.

The "war" between Zion and the Matrix serves many purposes. It keeps the people in Zion deluded - mixing WAR and RELIGION are typical control mechanisms! Neo is like Jesus which certain people can follow and believe in. The people in Zion also feel a certain smugness because they know the "truth".

The only problem for the machines is that the number of people in Zion cannot get out of control, because this would threaten the Matrix system. The people in Zion are destroyed, and Zion is reloaded. The purpose of the One is to give the humans in Zion hope right up to death. Useful. This probably explains why Neo is "resurrected" in the first film. He simply cannot die before Zion is "destroyed", plus this gives the illusion that he is like "Jesus".

We are told that programs like the Oracle and the Merovingian (by the Oracle herself) that they are "rogue" programs. This is probably a lie. The Oracle is part of the system. The whole Merovingian/Persephone/Keymaker stuff is just another smokescreen. Neo was always going to visit the Architect. I don't think the fact of the Merovingian getting blow-jobs is a key to the story.

The machines have a problem. Neo, in the first film, instead of just rising from the ashes and joining his Zion mystics, he actually created a virus with his encounter with Smith (Smith admits this). He is the only "rogue" program in Reloaded. He is copying himself everywhere and crossed into Zion. The machines are therefore shitting their pants. I think the explanation for Neo stopping the sentinels is another mind-job. Neo was sent back to the system to get Smith by the Architect, and cannot be killed. If it wasn't for Smith going mad the Architect would have reloaded Zion with Neo, it also explains why Smith appeared in the doorway to stop Neo. Neo will probably be fed an "explanation" why he stopped the sentinels in Zion (with the audience open-mouthed) and the mystics will believe it. More convenience.

Maybe in Revolutions Neo does "kill" Smith, therefore saves the system and Zion reloads with him in the 23 chosen ones with his love Trinity.

Sounds good to me.

The machines in Zion do what they do, keeping the population alive. If you notice in Zion no one knows how the machines do what they do;they just do - Macines and humans just getting on with it and accepting each others 'being there', for a specific purpose ~ Macines and Humans are living here peacefully, anybody else want to emphasise on this? And I'm not talking about the Matrix within a Matrix theory here, not at all

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Macines and Humans are living here peacefully, anybody else want to emphasise on this?

Yes, that's what will happen in the end in the whole system (methinks) - it pointed me to my theory... I found that part of the film fascinating (most didn't)- that bloke talking to Neo about machines and control. Its a bit like our society - we created the machines, do they now control us, and are we turning into machines?? An interesting thought ...

That is a pretty good theory, I for one believe in the matrix-within-a-matrix theory, one thing I dont agree with is the Merovingian/Persephone/Keymaker part, I think that they will play a pretty important role in Revolutions (well not the keymaker) as for Neo visiting the Architect no matter what, I dont think they could have done that without the Keymaker, he was the one who organized the whole attack on the building, and he let Neo and Morpheus through the door.

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That is a pretty good theory, I for one believe in the matrix-within-a-matrix theory, one thing I dont agree with is the Merovingian/Persephone/Keymaker part, I think that they will play a pretty important role in Revolutions (well not the keymaker) as for Neo visiting the Architect no matter what, I dont think they could have done that without the Keymaker, he was the one who organized the whole attack on the building, and he let Neo and Morpheus through the door.

That's a fair point. The Merovingian is a tricky one. I'll explore the two possibilities: -

1) He is working for the system. He has the Keymaker kept safe (the restaurant is surrounded by explosives), since you don't want any old idiot entering the mainframe. The Oracle simply lied. Remember that Trinity and Morpheus are with Neo, therefore the battle scene is just for appearances. All previous Ones visit him to get the Keymaker ("Your predecessors had more respect ..."). Only the plan nearly goes tits-up because of Smith in the doorway.

2) He is a genuine "rogue" program holding the keymaker. They get the Keymaker back by pure luck. It's defnitely possible. This would give Reloaded the simplest explanation, therefore the Oracle only lied about Neo stopping the war. If it wasn't for Smith it would be happy ever after when Neo visits the Architect. It seems from the Revolution trailers that Merovingian is holding Neo, giving this theory some strength.

Bah.

The Merovingian is not included in the original path of The One. The keymaker tries to get the key to Neo by giving it to Ghost and Niobie, showing that the important thing was the key and that he was not programmed to wait in prison.

He may have done this with all the others too, but the Merovingian was never part of the original plan made by the architect and the oracle.

As for Zion being within a matrix, which I find to be a insane explenation for the plot, it will not be revealed until the very end, or else the entire war, which we know will be a big part of the movie, would be pointless to show.

It seems like alot of people are posting ideas about Neo overwritng Smith and Smith overwriting Neo. Smith told this to Neo in Reloaded, so I can't see why it is a question. But since Neo expressed that "something is different", it indicates that he had just recently gained the power to feel the sentinels. Morpheus obviously doesn't have theese powers, so they didn't come from the Smith duplication process.

So he got them as a protection system against being killed by machines before the architect can get Neo's special code. I think it was the candy from the oracle.

This leads to another point about the architect. He choosed to remind Neo about Trinity while he made his desicion, thus influencing the choice to his desire. I can't se why there would be a problem with Neo saving Trinity first and then return to enter the source.

I feel that in the end the reality of the matter will be that humans and machines can live together, I feel that Neo is going to be the outcome of the combination of the both ~ Human and Machine working for the benefit both - An emerging AI that has the qualities of both machine and human....

Yeah, that will be the overall conclusion I think.

But if the agreement is made because of Neo defeating Smith to protect the main machine AI, I feel it would be like a programmer being saved from a virus by an Anti-virus software.

The architect has done some fresh installs of the matrix before, and the machines have survived, so what is the problem this time? What is the big deal about keeping the matrix running this time?

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Yeah, that will be the overall conclusion I think. But if the agreement is made because of Neo defeating Smith to protect the main machine AI, I feel it would be like a programmer being saved from a virus by an Anti-virus software. The architect has done some fresh installs of the matrix before, and the machines have survived, so what is the problem this time? What is the big deal about keeping the matrix running this time?

Perhaps the emerging AI will be more powerful and perhaps LOVE has much to do with it...

Maybe we can find clues in the song "What's love got to do with it?"...

True love is the one thing missing from the matrix that are in the movies, and by adding that (from Neo), the new matrix is the perfect world and there will no longer be a reason to exist in the real world. Combined with a new policy to chop the head of the ones who wakes up anyway, the machines could probably run the matrix for eternity without anyone knowing.

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Maybe we can find clues in the song "What's love got to do with it?"... True love is the one thing missing from the matrix that are in the movies, and by adding that (from Neo), the new matrix is the perfect world and there will no longer be a reason to exist in the real world. Combined with a new policy to chop the head of the ones who wakes up anyway, the machines could probably run the matrix for eternity without anyone knowing.

Well apparently, love conquers all, I do hope when you develop AI that you will be able to deal with this difficult part of the equation...

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As for Zion being within a matrix, which I find to be a insane explenation for the plot

Maybe. But other "explanations" for Neo's special powers are equally "insane". I read an interview with Keanu and he said that the Revolutions script is fantastic with lots of surprises. I think that the Zion = Matrix will be a minor part. There will be tons more nudgets ....

I cannot believe that this post (the first in this thread) is getting so many answers.

If I knew it when it was written it would have immediately gone into the "redundant posts forum".

OK, I leave it here now, dammit, although there is nothing new.

I can't see why everybody seems to have a problem with Neo having powers we don't have today. The real world in the movies contains so many technological advancements that Neo having some form of device in him that destroys sentinels is very likely.

But I still think his powers are mental. But then why does he have to raise his arm to ativeate them? Maybe the matrix Neo needs push a button that is very high on a wall inside the matrix? And he concentrates so much that Neo in the real world raises his arm too.