»balancing the matrix«

obviously the matrix was not completely revealed for a purpose. this very purpose even? to create all these different thoughts, discussions, hype, etc. i'm sure it's open to interpretation, i can't say any one is right, and i've had many different thoughts myself. until the W bros. tell us what they want it to mean they're all acurate. here's one theory i had:

the "outside world" in the matrix isn't outside at all, but the computers knew this: some minds can't be harnessed. they had to think they were free. so they created the "outside world" for the minds that needed to be free. (in the animatrix there's one where a guy breaks out of the matrix without knowing it. he couldn't be harnessed). but the then "matrix" and the "outside world" had the battle, because the liberated minds wanted to liberate all the minds, and that wouldn't work at all, because most minds need the comfort and security of the "matrix."

"the one" is a computer program designs to bring balance to the matrix so that it can exist. balance between the "matrix" and the "outside world" that is. there were plenty of "the one" made to try to make the balance, and this one finally solved the equasion.

Huh?

Akshat Gupta wrote:

Huh?

I agree

however maybe he means that these movies are just a window into the world of the "Matrix" and these just focused on the one but the philosphical ramifications were meant to generate debate and discussion ultimately helping the Wachosikys or whoever make the next movie or series of movies.

But the more I think about it I am confusing myself

Dude, you've lost me with the first post in this thread. Could you summarize that in 1 or 2 sentences?

what i thought was supposed to balance the matrix was smith and neo cancelling each other out

what i could never figure out though was that there was 1 neo and billions of smith's who presumably would all be identical(exept for the next person taken overs abilities)

so how can 1 cancel out x billion

the anomaly wrote:

what i thought was supposed to balance the matrix was smith and neo cancelling each other out what i could never figure out though was that there was 1 neo and billions of smith's who presumably would all be identical(exept for the next person taken overs abilities) so how can 1 cancel out x billion

In previous incarnations of the Matrix, they did balance out. Neo destroys Smith, Neo returns to the source....as we all now, it was a different story 6th time around, thanks to the Oracle, who just saw an endless cycle...hence the Revolution.

...oh and the original poster was hinting his belief in the "Matrix-within-a-Matrix" ....

the anomaly wrote:

what i thought was supposed to balance the matrix was smith and neo cancelling each other out what i could never figure out though was that there was 1 neo and billions of smith's who presumably would all be identical(exept for the next person taken overs abilities) so how can 1 cancel out x billion

Neo didn't cancel Smith out...when Smith took over him, he was connected directly into The Source, thus the machines had control over him again, and were able to delete him.

"everything that has a beginning has an end neo"

"he is you...your opposite...your negative...the result of the equation trying to balance itself out"

ring any bells mate?

It's true The Oracle said that, but still, that doesn't mean Neo and Smith cancelled each other out. One of the beautiful things about this movies is that they are so open to each person's interpretation. I mean, everyone can take out whatever they want to take out. I was merely giving another option to the whole "cancelling-out" thing. It was yourself that asked the question: "so how can 1 cancel x billion?"

I agree with oscargabrielp, it's a lot more logical to think that Smith was protected against the machines hacking in to him to delete him, and when Neo let himself be taken by Smith he opened a channel for the machines to hack into Smith. Allowing them to delete his shell from the overwritten original humans. All this because Neo was presumed to be plugged in directly into the source.

let me try this again without first explaining why i'm posting it

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the "outside world" in the matrix isn't outside at all, but the computers knew this: some minds can't be harnessed. they had to think they were free. so they created the "outside world" for the minds that needed to be free. (in the animatrix there's one where a guy breaks out of the matrix without knowing it. he couldn't be harnessed). but the then "matrix" and the "outside world" had the battle, because the liberated minds wanted to liberate all the minds, and that wouldn't work at all, because most minds need the comfort and security of the "matrix." "the one" is a computer program designs to bring balance to the matrix so that it can exist. balance between the "matrix" and the "outside world" that is. there were plenty of "the one" made to try to make the balance, and this one finally solved the equasion.

First part seems okay. You got the last part wrong. The One is a bug or flaw or anomaly in the Matrix. The Architect himself said that he tried to get rid of the need for the One but couldn't. But the Matrix would be incomplete without the One because of the uncertain choice aspect of the program. So to stabalize the Matrix and fix the flaw, the Architect requires the One to go to the Source where it can become part of the Matrix programming. The system then becomes stabler and realoads but the new system will also have its own The One.

So in essence it is a type of balancing but I dont think it is the balancing you are talking about. The path that Neo took in Revolutions was not part of the programming and function of the One. The peace and compromise laid out at the end was also not planned. These events took place because the Oracle wanted to see a peace and co-existence and guided Neo to make these choices hoping that his love for Trinity, the evolution of the One code and her guidance will lead him to make the decision she wants him to make.

[quote="Akshat Gupta"]You got the last part wrong.[/quore]
since it's all subjective, i'll skip over this

Akshat Gupta wrote:

The One is a bug or flaw or anomaly in the Matrix. The Architect himself said that he tried to get rid of the need for the One but couldn't. But the Matrix would be incomplete without the One because of the uncertain choice aspect of the program. So to stabalize the Matrix and fix the flaw, the Architect requires the One to go to the Source where it can become part of the Matrix programming. The system then becomes stabler and realoads but the new system will also have its own The One.

you're looking at the matrix as most people have seen it. i'm looking at it here from a much larger perspective. the matrix inside is built to a balance of the outside, the war and all that a program to keep the minds alive to avoid losing the machine's source of power. moving back further, we don't know who created the matrix (inside and out) because they may or may not have been revealed.

you can't possibly take the architect's word to neo as you can't take the oracle's word when she said he wasn't the one. he was told "what [he] needed to hear" to complete his purpose/destiny.

the whole thing (including the story of human batteries) could have been one giant program built to search human actions, human emotions, human evolution. much like the movies may very well have been.