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Symbols in the Matrix & References to existing philosophies

 

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chronic01uk wrote:

Has anyone thought about this reference as previously stated being a reference to pi which is the symbol for the ratio of the circumference of a circle to it's diameter. Which could in turn symbolise that Neo is back at the beginning he has come full circle and has to make the choice again as he has done before.


Isn't it pointing more at the speech of Architect? Matrix was reloaded 5 times (and Zion 5 times destroyed) thus the whole matrix is working in cycles (Pi -> circle). And hence there is the prophecy as a means of control, it is expected to repeat infinitely, if the One always choose the right door (Pi has infinite number of decimal positions).

But because Neo is the One he breaks the circle -> sets Zion and himself free. In a buddhist terms, he reaches nirvana and breaks the circle of samsara (suffering) - ends the circle of deaths and rebiths.
But then, I don't know why the Oracle at the end says this:

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Sati: Will we ever see him again?
Oracle: I suspect so. Someday.


Maybe, some kind of circularity is simply inevitable.

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. Einstein
The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. Clancy
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Oh! That made me think of something! The whole circularity thing DOES work, because look at this line:

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Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end

A circle has neither beginning NOR end, and at the same time, as both. And that was said in the Architect's room! It fits perfectly.

TRUE! --nervous --very, very dreadfully nervous I had been and am; but why will you say that I am mad?
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Yeh! And I think it also fits well with this sentence:

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Smith: Wait... I've seen this. This is it, this is the end. Yes, you were laying right there, just like that, and I... I... I stand here, right here, I'm... I'm supposed to say something. I say... Everything that has a beginning has an end, Neo.

Smith is perfectly right, but if the circle don't have a beginning, how should it end?

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HERE IS HOW THIS WORKS. THERE ARE SEVERAL THEORIES TO THIS THAT ALL WORK, BUT WE CAN NARROW THEM DOWN LATER.

A circle has no beginning and no end.

That's why the rythemic patterns of the One exist. It happens over and over again.

A circle has has a beginning and and end and doesn't have a beginning and an end at the same time. (which is what I think. Think about it every one of those 360 degrees could be a beginning and and end, but in reality there is no beginning or end)

This would explain the "I see the end coming" speech the Oracle makes. The circle is coming to its end, and at the same time, keeps going, never ending.

Understand? It's a bit confusing, but once you get the hang of it....

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