»Strange flaws«

Anyone can find things to pick at in the Matrix movies, I say after thoughts, that I find amusing, stuff the Bros really shouldn't care about. Only fans with moronic ideas ^_^

Okay
First of all...how do the people in the Matrix know what they look like? What if someone was white in the Matrix, but is actually Black in a pod? Does the machine even care how humans project their image?
Why does Neo look the way he does and -besides being bald- know? Its just weird. Like hair color and eye color...if the people in the pods have closed eyes all the time, how do the machines/Deus know what image to project.

Aging
Since the Deus and the machines just want to know what makes humans human, I wonder how they handle aging, and what happens when the people in the pods become older? Do they just liquefie the them? If someone was more aware that they are in the Matrix, couldn't they just alter their own apperance?

Sickness
How do the Machines handle stuff like Cancer, AIDS, Flu, Colds, etc
Because how can a human born in a pod even get any of these? They have no actual contact with each other, its only by mind. So if you think you have cancer will you get it?

Limbs
If someone in the Matrix had an accident and had to get one of their arms cut off (i'm just giving an example lol) what happens to the body? Do the machines notice the increase in brain activity? Will the people have ghost effect and actually know they still have thier limbs? Including frostbite or burns...

Death
is the mind that powerful that if you die in the Matrix you die in reality? Or is this only if you are jacked in and a hacker like the Zion people with plugs? What if you die in the Matrix, but your pod body is still alive...and you are literally buried alive? You're not dead....

Breeding
now this one is just complicated, what if someone in the Matrix decides to have a baby, is the baby just a program made up by the Matrix? If so then half the population in Matrix is programs because people are thinking they are actually having kids.
A woman would have no birth pain because it isn't real.

Animals
the animals in reality are gone IMO...they have to be wiped out, with an exception for insects...especially roaches ick. But there are animals in the Matrix, but they are not real...so the Machines went all detailed and recreated every freakin animal that was in the real world? If there were machines that were used as data storage by humans before the war...then I guess it can be done. weird
But how did they program each animals personality...?
Matrix is complicated thingie

Space
okay...how the heck did they pull this off? Thats just insane!
Maybe they programed it so that people don't think about space or space travel. So maybe NASA doesn't exist at all... thats scary...Matrix creating its own Universe. Solar eclipses and every thing.

Birthday
do people in Zion know when they were born? If they were in pods and born in the Matrix, they'd have to go by the date in the Matrix...but whats the date for reality? Wonder if Zion has cake...hmmm
I mean if you can restore hover ships...making an oven should be easy as pie. mmmmpie...

Clothes
okay...were did Zion get those clothes! Do they shop for lost stores like Kmart and Gap and the mall? There is no sheep...so they can't make wool. There are no sewing machines....as far as I can tell.
Ewww they wear the same clothes for life? Like recycling their old ones and making new ones?
No shoes...whats the point lol?
Then theres little stuff like...underwear...don't wanna know.

Puberty
wonder how the machines and the people of Zion handle this!
0_0 especially the female side of this.

TV
no tv in Zion...parish the thought! But its true!
I'd expect there will be nothing to watch...I mean everyones in Pod land...lol which brings me to movie stars in the Matrix, so someone in Machine City is famous ^_^ how does the Matrix produce movies? Do they take the ideas from people in the pods?
All that PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube don't exist! AH evil evil Matrix!

Well thats about it for me, if you can give your own thoughts to some that would be fun to read. And if you can thinking of anymore flaws that would be fun to. like add on.

Spellcheck is for the weak XD just kidding I didn't feel like it.

Neo inside the matrix is his RSI (residual self image) or something like that. Morpheus mentions this in M1. So people look in the matrix the way their mind projects their self image.

For all your other questions the simple explanation: "a program was written".
you have a program written for everything from trees to animals ....everything....

I was wondering about the clothes and food too.... but then if a place like Zion can have hi-fi security equipments and other sophisticated machines one can assume about their clothes and food....

hope this helped

i like the bit about the limbs...

a friend of mine who had his arm amputated says that even now,10 years later,he still gets pain and itches in the non existent arm

medically they are known as "phantom pains"

this is a good tie in to your post

hahaha

I dont get it. How does that work? How can you have pains if the arm isnt there? Explain please.

i dont know HOW it happens...but it does...

"the mind has trouble letting go" i suppose

there will still be parts of the brain that were once "wired" to the nerve endings of the missing leg...it is the mind and not the limb which interprets the pain/itch and so if the cells in the brain are still intact then i suppose that is what gives the sensation...

my friend has never bothered to have it explained to him but he says it is the weirdest sensation

trying to scratch an itch outwith his own body,...

Uni wrote:

First of all...how do the people in the Matrix know what they look like? What if someone was white in the Matrix, but is actually Black in a pod? Does the machine even care how humans project their image? Why does Neo look the way he does and -besides being bald- know? Its just weird. Like hair color and eye color...if the people in the pods have closed eyes all the time, how do the machines/Deus know what image to project.

what do the machines really have to do with their day? there's probably a group of machines that are created and designed to go about the Power Plant and take an image of what individuals look like so that image can be fed back to them inside the Matrix.

Uni wrote:

Since the Deus and the machines just want to know what makes humans human, I wonder how they handle aging, and what happens when the people in the pods become older? Do they just liquefie the them?

why would they liquify old people just because they're old? they probably hold off on that until the brain and body die of old age.

Uni wrote:

If someone was more aware that they are in the Matrix, couldn't they just alter their own apperance?

inside the Matrix, i don't see why not. that would be the ultimate disguise. however, there's probably something in the numan psyche that's attached to individuality that makes this either impossible or highly improbable.

Uni wrote:

How do the Machines handle stuff like Cancer, AIDS, Flu, Colds, etc Because how can a human born in a pod even get any of these? They have no actual contact with each other, its only by mind. So if you think you have cancer will you get it?

well...for cancer, it's in everyone that has it. you don't just GET cancer. you already have it. what happens is, something activates it, like excessive UV from sunlight, or carcinogens from asbestos or Morpholine or cigarettes. the Matrix probably either kills them off rather than take care of them. all about efficiency, remember?

Uni wrote:

If someone in the Matrix had an accident and had to get one of their arms cut off (i'm just giving an example lol) what happens to the body? Do the machines notice the increase in brain activity? Will the people have ghost effect and actually know they still have thier limbs? Including frostbite or burns...

if you get your arm cut off in the Matrix, it probably stays off in the Matrix unless the Matrix has a need for you to have that limb. then, it might just reload the individual. check out the comics, a story called Goliath.

Uni wrote:

is the mind that powerful that if you die in the Matrix you die in reality? Or is this only if you are jacked in and a hacker like the Zion people with plugs? What if you die in the Matrix, but your pod body is still alive...and you are literally buried alive? You're not dead....

if you die in the Matrix, you die in real life. about the coma, they probably just liquify you if that happens.

Uni wrote:

now this one is just complicated, what if someone in the Matrix decides to have a baby, is the baby just a program made up by the Matrix? If so then half the population in Matrix is programs because people are thinking they are actually having kids. A woman would have no birth pain because it isn't real.

there are fields and fields of feti just waiting for parents. assuming that the gestation period for the fields is nine months, a couple wanting a baby probably get one assigned to them. a woman CAN have birth pain if the Matrix wants her to. your brain makes it real...the Matrix can put you through the worst pain imaginable without doing any real damage.

Uni wrote:

the animals in reality are gone IMO...they have to be wiped out, with an exception for insects...especially roaches ick. But there are animals in the Matrix, but they are not real...so the Machines went all detailed and recreated every freakin animal that was in the real world? If there were machines that were used as data storage by humans before the war...then I guess it can be done. weird. But how did they program each animals personality...?

animals probably have a bank of personalities. the Lassie, the Cujo, the Benji...whatever.

Uni wrote:

okay...how the heck did they pull this off? Thats just insane! Maybe they programed it so that people don't think about space or space travel. So maybe NASA doesn't exist at all... thats scary...Matrix creating its own Universe. Solar eclipses and every thing.

you'll pardon me for again referencing the comics, but take a gander at Goliath. the Matrix has total control over perceptions of time and space. the space ship in the Matrix can sit on the launch pad and play the soundtrack to 2001, and the Matrix can make everybody think that it took off.

Uni wrote:

do people in Zion know when they were born? If they were in pods and born in the Matrix, they'd have to go by the date in the Matrix...but whats the date for reality? Wonder if Zion has cake...hmmm I mean if you can restore hover ships...making an oven should be easy as pie. mmmmpie...

they probably don't know what their birthday is. the Zionites, being the personalities that they are, probably choose their own special day.

Uni wrote:

okay...were did Zion get those clothes! Do they shop for lost stores like Kmart and Gap and the mall? There is no sheep...so they can't make wool. There are no sewing machines....as far as I can tell. Ewww they wear the same clothes for life? Like recycling their old ones and making new ones? No shoes...whats the point lol? Then theres little stuff like...underwear...don't wanna know.

it might be hemp. check out the Miller's Tale (the comics again, i know...) the Zionites have bread once a year. so, that's probably not the only thing they grow.

Uni wrote:

wonder how the machines and the people of Zion handle this! 0_0 especially the female side of this.

puberty is easy in the Matrix...parents. NARF! same way in Zion. if they can make clothes, they can probably make...other things. or, they could do like in Samoa...when women were having that time, they lived in a different hut.

Uni wrote:

how does the Matrix produce movies? Do they take the ideas from people in the pods? All that PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube don't exist! AH evil evil Matrix!

the Matrix might not have to...there are people that do that. remember, the Matrix may be what everything is made of, but there is still free will and imagination inside the Matrix. so, there is probably a movie and entertainment industry within the Matrix.

To expound on the sensation in a limb that is lost. In some people for still unknown reasons, they develop a central nervous system disorder whereby the peripheral nerves keep sending messages to the spinal cord and of course the brain, inappropriately. One such disorder is called RSD or Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy now usually referred to as Complex Regional Pain Syndrome. Complex because it is not yet understood by the medical fraternity, Regional because it usually affects a limb, Pain because pain is almost always involved, and syndrome because there are a few symptoms that must exist before it can come under the title of CRPS. It is a central nervous system disorder, and can come from surgery for something minor such as carpal tunnel syndrome. It was actually first documented in the Amercian Civil War from gunshot wounds and amputations. Hope that helps a bit. Type in RSD or Complex Regional Pain syndrome on your net search.

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All that PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube don't exist! AH evil evil Matrix!

no PS 2? no Xbox? dat sux!

People are wired into the matrix, they take up "computer memory space"

People have brains, these provide "computer memory space"

People exist in their own memory space, they fill one "slot"

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Matrix hackers also fill one "slot" of space when in the matrix.

A matrix hacker connects his body to the matrix, adding some "memory"

The matrix hacker thus fills the space his own mind provides.

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People are "hardware" (more precisely, wetware), like computers.

Damage inflicted in the matrix smashes this up, causes brain damage etc.

Critical damage leaves nowhere for a mind to be stored properly, it dies.

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Pulling out a plug would seemingly not kill someone, as they live in their body....

However, some part of the mind must touch the matrix system in order to affect it and thus perform actions in that world.

Also, hackers can only return and enter via a landline link. This would imply that a certain portion of the mind gets splt between the "two worlds", like a line of men on a bridge passing packages.

Break the bridge and many men die...consiciousness is mashed up.

***Really, someone who has a pulled plug should be reduced to a comatose state....unless the damage is so drastic that they forget to beat their heart (no autonomic response), but i consider this unlikely***

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Furthermore, people need a link via a hardline to enter the matrix. Regardless, there would seem to be some sort of datatrail or "bridge" that follows them around, carrying information back and forth from broadcast depth to the matrix body. It would seem that agents can detect this, as they use trace programmes to find hackers. They seem remarkably slow, however, suggesting that operators use numerous routes to disguise their entry point, much as hackers in our world today can disguise their data trail

Using such a messy route would help explain why cutting the "bridge" would be so problematic, since it is no longer a straight bridge, more a maze of turns and twists. Cutting that so suddenly would scatte someones mind to the wind.

this would suggest that an operator could trade mental safety and perhaps speed within the matrix for ship stealth, He could, if he wished, send someone in on an unsafe line, risk the ship, but allow someone to act faster and perhaps even jack out through a weaker line.

Good topic, got me thinking a great deal.

thanks for your thoughts i'm gonna add on to this since i don't want to spam the boards.

i had a disturbing thought

Agents
They LOOK human, which is natural since what other form can you use? an agent dog would be amusing ^_^ and a cow...i think someone mentioned that.
On to the question...*cough* the Agents don't have errr genitals. Plan and simple. This is a guess because what would they need them for? Plus you ever notice that there are NO FEMALE form Agents? What is the Matrix goin' all biased? Why male...?
The Agents vary in looks just for human sake, but wouldn't females add to the mix.

Government
I wonder who the source picks to be the next President...who was the pres in the Matrix? A program? That would be a good guess...but the Deus would need a lot of knowlegde on how humans decide (or think they can) for others.

Money
I wonder how the stock market is handled...the machines have no use or care for such a thing. Like will the stock market ever crash (black friday) in the Matrix? Or will it always be good lol

Weather
There are programs in the Matrix that are incharge of this...so they just decide whats the day going to be like? Interesting. If one is mad could they just make hurricans and typhons for the heck of it?

Books
how does the source create all these. Someone in the pod must be thinking of books to write. Come to think of it, do they read books in Zion?

Uni wrote:

the question...*cough* the Agents don't have errr genitals. Plan and simple. This is a guess because what would they need them for? Plus you ever notice that there are NO FEMALE form Agents? What is the Matrix goin' all biased? Why male...? The Agents vary in looks just for human sake, but wouldn't females add to the mix.

Agents are probably anatomically correct. the society the the Matrix is built to mirror is more patriarchal than matriarchal, so females are seldom taken as authority figures, hence the male Agent.

Uni wrote:

I wonder who the source picks to be the next President...who was the pres in the Matrix? A program? That would be a good guess...but the Deus would need a lot of knowlegde on how humans decide (or think they can) for others.

i don't think programming has anything to do with it. to me, the Matrix seems like an asylum that's being run by the lunatics. the Matrix probably doesn't really decide much in the big picture...just minor adjustments here or there (hence the need for Agents).

Uni wrote:

I wonder how the stock market is handled...the machines have no use or care for such a thing. Like will the stock market ever crash (black friday) in the Matrix? Or will it always be good lol

see above anser: events in the Matrix are driven by humans.

Uni wrote:

There are programs in the Matrix that are incharge of this...so they just decide whats the day going to be like? Interesting. If one is mad could they just make hurricans and typhons for the heck of it?

the Matrix probably has a model of weather patterns from before the darkening of the sky, so that's probably what's used.

Uni wrote:

I would how the source creates all these. Someone in the pod must be thinking of books to write. Come to think of it, do they read books in Zion?

like i said with the movies, people in the Matrix have everyday lives. some are programmers, some are shopkeepers, some are authors. i don't understand the problem with this concept.`

History books, you think the machines have all that and keep it so people won't reject the Matrix Prog?
Speaking of books again. You know how they are all plugged in, so are the humans dreaming that they are in the real world?

If so, its not exactly rare because I can do it myself (dream reading)--but what about reading, studies say people can't read when they dream. Or in a better term, the brain won't understand the words correctly or focus on them to make them understandable.

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the Matrix probably doesn't really decide much in the big picture...just minor adjustments here or there (hence the need for Agents).

thanks for that...
but it feels like the machine is in charge most of the time. the humans have choices in the Matrix, but it won't let them be aware of it (speaking before Rev of course)

But its not a regular dream. Its a computer simulated dream. We've allready seen how clear it can be. Its much more detailed than a regular dream.

Uni wrote:

You know how they are all plugged in, so are the humans dreaming that they are in the real world?

i'm not sure what to make of this. do you mean, dreaming while they're in the pods connected to the Matrix? then yes.

if you mean dreaming while they're asleep in the Matrix itself, then maybe. but probably not.

this may have been mentioned earlier but...um...im lazy. but uni said something about people being able to change thier residual self image, there is a comic called burning hope where there is a little girl who they are tyrying to free, who can change her RSI. she changes from an old lady to a muscular black man. its funny, she still talks like a little girl and holds a stuffed bunny while she is the muscular black dude.

makes sense that a child would be able to do it, since they're not as firmly rooted in their identities as full-grown adults are.

thanks for the info people, gotta read more of those comics...i'm way behind.

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i'm not sure what to make of this. do you mean, dreaming while they're in the pods connected to the Matrix? then yes. if you mean dreaming while they're asleep in the Matrix itself, then maybe. but probably not.

i'll try again
okay are they dreaming in order to be hooked to the pods? or are they in a coma...umm forgot what it was called chriogenics...suspended animation! thats it.
does that mean you are in dream state?

its like...how can they make out words if they are dreaming they are in the real world?

or is it they are actualy awake in the pods and they can't open their eyes and ummm the Matrix is just tapping into their mind so they think its the real world (this is getting more confusing)

still doesn't explain how they know they have blonde hair or green eyes...when they never seen themselves. if they're in a pod, blind and hairless how do they know what features they have...i don't think the brain can tell you "even though you can't see yourself you have brown eyes, you're this tall, you're this race yada yada"
only the machine would know.

Uni wrote:

or is it they are actualy awake in the pods and they can't open their eyes and ummm the Matrix is just tapping into their mind so they think its the real world (this is getting more confusing)

bingo. what you define as reality RIGHT NOW (you in that chair) is nothing more than electrical impulses in your brain. that's one of the things what the Matrix does s tap directly into your brain to give you a reality.

Uni wrote:

still doesn't explain how they know they have blonde hair or green eyes...when they never seen themselves. if they're in a pod, blind and hairless how do they know what features they have...i don't think the brain can tell you "even though you can't see yourself you have brown eyes, you're this tall, you're this race yada yada" only the machine would know.

yes, as i postulated before, there's probably a machine that knows this about you and feeds the information back to you through the Matrix.