»Did the machines use the One's DNA over and over again?«

We all know that there were 6 ones before Neo. But did they all look the same? What if they were made with the same DNA code that would give them all those special, additional powers that the one has. Could the machines just save the strand of DNA away until they figured another One was supposed to be grown?

I really dont think that the machines would use the One's DNA over and over. But they probably have the technology to do so.

Besides I think `the One' program is just randomly inserted into one of the humans. It probably wasn't even the machines who insert it. Just the system itself- the Matrix. Im probly wrong but whatever. Some one correct me.

This is all based on oppinion, so you can believe whatever you want to believe. But I don't think that he is a program. There's just not enough evidence. Isn't the Matrix controlled by machines? How would it, as a system, be able to do that? Not to mention that it doesn't have a self, like Smith, or Sati, or a program. I think machines have selves too, especially after reading these comics. Keep in mind that Bits and Pieces, found atwhatisthematrix.warnerbros.com... is gory, but it is also a further insight of the Second Renissance Part I. The other one really important one that shows that machines do have personality is whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com.... Both are really good stories.
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I didn't mean that Neo is a program. This is what I meant. Neo or Thomas Anderson is a human. But `The One' is a special code or program which is inserted into a random human once every 100 years in the Matrix. After the insertion, the human shows unique qualities inside the Matrix. He is able to bend the rules of the Matrix because of this program or code. He becomes the anomoly of the program or the `sum of the remainder of the unbalanced equation'. This also explains how the other `Ones' had the same powers etc. The code is inserted into one human in every version of the Matrix. Also when this code is inserted into the Source, the system becomes stabler and a new version of the Matrix is born with its own anomoly.

One correction: because of the way i wrote this above, this might be misinterpreted. I dont believe that the machines or the machine God chooses a human and says- insert the code in him. The anomoly (which is the One program) just happens and the machines cant control it. The only way they can control it is to eventually return it to the Source.

Whattya think?

I think that it's really good, except two things:
1. then how did Neo and the other One's powers extend to the outside world, where there are no simulations or anything? (well, at least, they SEEM like they aren't.)
2. Every 100 years? Punctual, are they? Or did I say that. I might have...why every 100 years?

I must correct the every 100 years statement. What I meant is that the anomoly manifests once in every version of the Matrix which I think lasts 100 years, but am not sure. Morpheus says that we have survived the machines for 100 years. But we cant be sure that the other versions of the Matrix lasted that long. I guess that means that the anomoly or the One appears at any random time during the course of the Matrix. When the One comes, this signals for the machines to start drilling for Zion. The One then reaches the Architect and makes a choice. Then the Matrix is reloaded and the cycle starts anew with its own anomoly or One manifesting sometime- again we dont know when.

IMPORTANT THOUGHT- But its gotta be somewhat long. I mean a new The One cant appear before the previous The One is dead.

And yet, what if it did? I think it would be a while after the matrix gets reloaded. Because if it was just right after...well, let's put it this way: fighting Zion constantly must be exhausting. And also, the One has to grow up. But time in the Matrix varies a lot, which is described best by this "comic" (it's not REALLY, but it's in the same place AS the Matrix Comics):
whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com...

Excellent thoughts, splintey.

I was thinking the same that it has to be a while after the Matrix is reloaded cause:

1. They just fought Zion- as you said.
2. The One has to grow up- as you said.
3. The previous One has to die- as I said.

Also I was about to make a post on this but you got it before. I also read Goliath recently and was confused about the time thing. Their time and our time seem to run differently in the story. But the idea was never explored in the movies....any thoughts on that?

Wanta start a new topic?

I think that the time in the Matrix runs depending on what is going on in the real world. You know how some days feel really slow, and how a lot of times MANY people think that the SAME day feels really slow (you generally have this happen when your ranting to people about how long the day is, and then they agree)? That might be when they need more time in order to come up with stuff for the humans to do, or when something else is happening in the machine city/fetus fields to occupy them, like a meltdown or something (see whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com...). Time might travel fast when they're in overdrive, as you see in Goliath. Time travels in a regular speed when nothing eventful is happening, the system is running normally, and everythings just peaceful.
Time in the real world probably feels just like the last one. "Regular."
Thanks for the appreciation!
Splintey

oh! By the way, yes! I'll make a new topic now

so, if time ran at different times in the Matrix from the real world, wouldnt the operators not be able to find the people?

how could the human minds make the pain real? if the actual human was running slower than the mind?

isnt this proof of matrix within a matrix?

i hope not

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so, if time ran at different times in the Matrix from the real world, wouldnt the operators not be able to find the people?

WHAT people? the people they are trying to save, or the people who are jacked into the Matrix? If your referring to the people who jacked in, then no, the operators would be able to follow where they are in the Matrix because the operators are trained to follow their code. They are trained so well that they know exactly what's going on because they can read the code (like, for example, when Tank was telling Neo what door to go into to get to the phone in the end of M1, or when Link was telling Morpheus when to duck the Twin's gunfire). The operators also get phonecalls from the people in the Matrix whenever they need help, a download, or just advice on where to go.

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how could the human minds make the pain real? if the actual human was running slower than the mind?

Well, in the case of Mouse and stuff, I think that he never really excepted that the Matrix wasn't REAL. And even though all of the revolutionists KNOW that the Matrix isn't real, they still feel, smell, touch, taste in the Matrix. So sometimes, despite themselves, they feel the "realness" of the Matrix. Like when Trinity died. She KNEW that the world wasn't real, but the pain and the feeling of dying was so overwhelming that reason just eluded her, and she died. Remember, smell/sight/touch/taste is just electrical signals interpreted by your brain. INCLUDING PAIN.

I don't understand what you mean by the whole slower-than-mind thing. The mind is part of a human. Although the body cannot live without the mind, they are still essentially intwined, and so I would think that that would be impossible. If you mean that the mind preceived that it was hurt before the body did: part of a mind's job is to read what the nerves and everything are sending it, and then to react. So therefore (and as I've said above), the mind and the body would be equally fast, because less than a nanosecond later that body reacts to the information the mind just sent it.

For example: You touch a hot iron. Your nerves send the information to your brain, which interpretes it, and tells your body that you are in pain because the iron is burning you because it is hot. Then your body reacts and takes your hand off the iron. This all happens very, VERY quickly. And this works the same way in the Matrix because, instead of your nerves telling you that the iron is hot, but Matrix tells you that the iron is hot.

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You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. -Cypher

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isnt this proof of matrix within a matrix?

no, from what you've given me. Maybe if you explain what your talking about a little more, I'll begin to REALLY understand what your trying to say. (^_^)

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i hope not

I don't know, that matrix-within-a-matrix thing is a LOT better explanation then the "because you are the one" thing. But knnknn has already ranted what we all feel up on the front page, so I won't bother re-ranting.

ok, imagine someone is inside the matrix and, lets say, Matrix time is running slower than real time.

to the operator, who is in REAL TIME, the people inside the Matrix would be moving too fast for them to see (imagine watching a film while its fast forwarding and try to understand it).

then, lets say, the person inside made a phone call to the operator. how the hell could they talk to each other. lets say Link says: "Hello" and Neo replies: "Its Neo".

Neo hears this: "HELO" and it does on for about 10 minutes (or whatever the time difference ratio is).

then Neo speaks and Link hears "Its Neo", but really fast so he cant understand it. In fact he probably wouldnt hear anything.

That's actually quite funny. But I don't think that's what would happen.

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to the operator, who is in REAL TIME, the people inside the Matrix would be moving too fast for them to see (imagine watching a film while its fast forwarding and try to understand it).

No, it wouldn't because you've just stated that the Matrix would go slower than the real time.

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then, lets say, the person inside made a phone call to the operator. how the hell could they talk to each other. lets say Link says: "Hello" and Neo replies: "Its Neo".

I'm guessing that this wouldn't be a problem for either Neo or Link for several reasons.

Neo isn't plugged into the Matrix, so time for him is whatever he want's it to be. The people plugged in are basically forced to accept whatever time the Matrix is running because they believe that they are living in a real world. Neo, however, is entirely different because he isn't plugged into the Matrix. The time that he sees can be however fast or slow as he wants. That's why Trinity can kill cops super-fast (see the beginning of the 1st Matrix). Remember what Morpheus said? "The rules of the Matrix are like the rules of a computer-system. Some can be bent, others can be broken."

Getting back to the whole DNA thing, first of all, i think all of this business about each Matrix lasting 100 years is being taken out of context. Morpheus only states that the war or "fighting" had lasted 100 years.The resistence didn't start IMMEDIATELY after the matrix was reloaded.
Next, I don't think that the program of The One is "random." Only because i don't think destiny in general is random. Your purpose is who you are and how you are going to change the world, so I think "random" is kinda out of the questio.
And finallt, the machines must use Neo/ Thomas Anderson's DNA over and over, because as you recall in Reloaded when Neo is in the room with the Architect, all of the screens behind him are displaying past reactions of the other "ones" and they all look the same.

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I think that the time in the Matrix runs depending on what is going on in the real world. You know how some days feel really slow, and how a lot of times MANY people think that the SAME day feels really slow (you generally have this happen when your ranting to people about how long the day is, and then they agree)? That might be when they need more time in order to come up with stuff for the humans to do, or when something else is happening in the machine city/fetus fields to occupy them, like a meltdown or something

That is so true, Splinty! I completely agree with you, 100%. This is a great explination for anyone who was having trouble understanding the time in the matrix theory.

good theories.

but i think that neo isn't created by anyone. he is created by the nature. his is an abnormality of the matrix's balance. he is the 0,000....1 / 1.

so as an abnormality he is not accepting matrix's rules. he can overcome them. he can stop the machines, he can see the codes (merovingios can also see them) etc...

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Getting back to the whole DNA thing, first of all, i think all of this business about each Matrix lasting 100 years is being taken out of context. Morpheus only states that the war or "fighting" had lasted 100....ect.

GOOD! Because this is EXACTLY what I think.

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but i think that neo isn't created by anyone. he is created by the nature. his is an abnormality of the matrix's balance. he is the 0,000....1 / 1.

I think that the system somehow creates a One. Selected. It is a pattern that occurs and no one knows why, not even the machines. So in a way, your abnormality thing is correct too.

Splintey- I'm glad we agree! Hooray!

Nice to be appreciated. But I can't help it if you have good theories.