»My little theory as too Neo's powers in the real world«

Alright, I was writing an IM to a friend about how this was confusing and created the potential for a matrix-in-matrix scenario when I came to some moderate level of realization. Ignore Neo's ability to bend the matrix, to fly, to break the rules, and rule the matrix. This is just supporting evidence to the slightly broader answer of what he is. He is a programmer in his matrix-life, and is merely a programmer in the real world. The matrix is 100% code, so as a programmer he can change what he likes, hack what he likes, and is 100% emerged so he can do _anything_ with it.

However, in the real world little is comprised of code. But some of the things that are are things like Agent Smith, which also explains why he sees him as Smith and not Bane. Also the machine city is nothing but code, everything streams with AI and therefore he can see it all. This also offers some level of explanation as to why he can destroy sentinals and whatnot outside the Matrix. They are code, so he can crash them, however the real world is just that -- so no flying or super fighting abilities.

Anyways, that's what I'm holding on to. The matrix is fake and Zion is real. There's obviously a lot of other unanswered questions left by the movie, but maybe what is needed is a higher level of understanding rather than a better script. So I'm going to go to it again, buy it on DVD, and keep trying to break it down.

the only answer that i have to this is that he has telekinetic abilities in the real world...(he can feel them yeah but how does he transfer his command to them)

how?

Neo didn't start seeing code until Bane/Smith blinded him. All of the sudden, he can see/sense code. Think of it like the Dare Devil. His senses was enhanced from his contacts within the Matrix. When he first caused the squid to shut down, he was just beginning to have these new senses, but don't know how to control them. After he was blinded, and in a very tense stressful situation, he became fully aware of this new sense. Part of this new sense probably isn't just receiving input, but also sending commands. That's how he destroyed those squids, he sent a self destruct command.

i must ask the same question...human beings CANT SEND DIGITAL COMMANDS WITHOUT HARDWARE...then HOW did he do it?

Notice the dozens of plugs stuck in every human from the Matrix? Humans have been altered by the machines, so there is the slight chance there's a little more than just ports plugged into them.

they need to stick a 20 inch needle in their skull which is connected to a onboard antenna which sends transmissions to the matrix...its HARDWARE...

John Mirra wrote:

i must ask the same question...human beings CANT SEND DIGITAL COMMANDS WITHOUT HARDWARE...then HOW did he do it?

That's the part that you'll just have to take at face value for what it is: movie magic. Squids can't "fly" through the air just by moving around; Human beings cannot reduce all thought into software; human beings certainly can't be used as batteries the way it is described in the movie. HOW did they do it? Movie Magic.

When trying to understand a movie, the viewer pick which parts to believe, and which parts to ponder over. In this case, the question is "How did Neo control the squids?" The answer is "by sending digital commands without hardware". to question any further would be futile, IMO.

Oh, and even though human beings cannot send digital commands as we know them, the brain does give off brain waves and minute EM signals. perhaps Neo's is just vastly amplified. whatever you want.

WayneBruce wrote:

Oh, and even though human beings cannot send digital commands as we know them, the brain does give off brain waves and minute EM signals. perhaps Neo's is just vastly amplified. whatever you want.

This also relates to how Neo was able to be in the matrix (train station) while unplugged. Although the mechanism for these occurrences is unclear, I think something along these lines is a better explanation than matrix within a matrix.

WayneBruce wrote:

brain does give off brain waves and minute EM signals. perhaps Neo's is just vastly amplified.

LOL, nice try.

John Mirra wrote:

i must ask the same question...human beings CANT SEND DIGITAL COMMANDS WITHOUT HARDWARE...then HOW did he do it?

One possibility is that the machines physically implanted hardware into Neo's body back when he was still in his pod. That could have given him the capability to transmit information wirelessly.

that is pure speculation and was not mentioned by the movie so my question still remains?

John Mirra wrote:

that is pure speculation and was not mentioned by the movie so my question still remains?

Since the movie didn't address it, any theory on how Neo controlled the machines in the real world is speculation..

thats one of many reasons why this movie is crap...

the movie didn't address a hell of a lot of things...

If I may...

What we got from the movie is how Neo's (and Bane's) brain waves were as if he was still plugged in when he was in a coma as opposed to 'real mode'.
(Lack for a better description.)

IMO ...

When Neo came out of the coma, his brain had now learnt to 'function' (so to speak) in both plugged in and real mode.

This is how Agent Smith can exist in the real world. Bane's brain was functioning exactly like how Neo's was when he was in a coma thus enabling Smith's control over Bane's body.

Bane's 'real mode' brain never recovered because Smith had control and Bane really never returned from the matrix. His physical brain is disconnected.

Neo was able to recover from his coma because he was brought back from the matrix. Thus his physical mind was able to accept connection back to the 'real mode'.

Note: Neo's mind is the only one at this point that has physically operated at both modes.

Why I think Neo has control over the Sentinels:

How does machine city or the Source communicate with Sentinels in the physical world? Obviously through wireless signals. I'm guessing these signals actually passes through everywhere and everything. What if these signals, especially those to and from sentinals closer to Neo, passes through Neo's mind. If Neo's mind is functioning as if it was still plugged in, wouldn't he 'see/sense' these signals? Can he not alter these signals in the same way he alter codes in the matrix?

He see with his eyes, the physical world. He sees with his mind the digital signals. Hence thats how he beat Agent (Bane) Smith.

Why are you all seeking for such complicated answers ?

Lets just asume that Zion isn't real for a minute, wouldn't that easily explain why Neo can do all those things in the so called "real world" ?

The Architect spoke of this being the 6th cycle. And that Zion was destroyed every time and rebuild by a handfull of people. How would this be possible if Zion was real?
It is in human nature to form a resitance while repressed and/or living in captivity. The machines know this and therefore build a 2nd Matrix with a place as Zion for those that would resist the other Matrix.


And in the Matrix he sees all code in green and I "the real world" (2nd Matrix) in gold.


And imo, if Zion would really be real... I would be disappointed. Being The One in the Matrix is one thing but being The One in a real world be to much.


I really can't find any indication why Zion would be real. Found no proof of this what so ever...

FLAMING! BRAVO! URRA! THAT'S A RAZIONAL ANSWER! ZION BEING AN ILLUSION WOULD ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS ....WOULDN'T IT?
PIUKNEO.

likwuid_ice wrote:

Alright, I was writing an IM to a friend about how this was confusing and created the potential for a matrix-in-matrix scenario when I came to some moderate level of realization. Ignore Neo's ability to bend the matrix, to fly, to break the rules, and rule the matrix. This is just supporting evidence to the slightly broader answer of what he is. He is a programmer in his matrix-life, and is merely a programmer in the real world. The matrix is 100% code, so as a programmer he can change what he likes, hack what he likes, and is 100% emerged so he can do _anything_ with it. However, in the real world little is comprised of code. But some of the things that are are things like Agent Smith, which also explains why he sees him as Smith and not Bane. Also the machine city is nothing but code, everything streams with AI and therefore he can see it all. This also offers some level of explanation as to why he can destroy sentinals and whatnot outside the Matrix. They are code, so he can crash them, however the real world is just that -- so no flying or super fighting abilities. Anyways, that's what I'm holding on to. The matrix is fake and Zion is real. There's obviously a lot of other unanswered questions left by the movie, but maybe what is needed is a higher level of understanding rather than a better script. So I'm going to go to it again, buy it on DVD, and keep trying to break it down.

You are wrong right from the outset of this post. In this world there is code (i.e. patterns) in everything from the garbage route to light dispersal. If you think for one second there is not a pattern in something that is the very second I know you are a complete idiot. There is patterns in everything that is in this world and the next just because you do not have the brain power to fathom the pattern or even begin to see the pattern does not mean it does not exists or is there. Again refer to tomfool reprisals if you must...

John Mirra wrote:

i must ask the same question...human beings CANT SEND DIGITAL COMMANDS WITHOUT HARDWARE...then HOW did he do it?

Bull$hit human beings can send binary commands without hardware....please if you have no clue spare us all the retard level answers....human beings have been argued to be the most sophisticated computers to have ever lived...just because you use only 1% of your brain does not mean we need hardware to boost your ability to send digital commands...

Did you guys not see HOW Neo stopped the sentinels? He lifted his hand and they acted like they hit a wall, just like the bullets. If this whole wireless connection thing was true, then by lifting his hand, the squiddies would turn off and fall to the floor over a distance because of their momentum, not halt in midair and have a spaz attack. I'm not sure if I still believe in the MiM theory, but I know for sure there isn't some stupid wireless connection implanted by the machines.

All throughout the trilogy especially the first movie the question is asked: What is reality, what is virtual reality? If you assume that the real universe is also an illusion at a higher level ie. (computation on the super-string/ quantum level for example) and that Neo learnt how to manipulate these forces in the real world in the same way that he did in the Matrix it would give him a power over the machines and allow him to destroy them. So he goes from super-being in a virtual world to super-being in the real world. Simple really! IS OUR REAL UNIVERSE ALSO A VIRTUAL ILLUSION that is what these movies are all about!

HolEavataR wrote:

Did you guys not see HOW Neo stopped the sentinels? He lifted his hand and they acted like they hit a wall, just like the bullets. If this whole wireless connection thing was true

Moreover his connection would be VERY strong. Do you remember how the squiddies open that signal umbrella to receive new orders.

Scribe wrote:

All throughout the trilogy especially the first movie the question is asked: What is reality, what is virtual reality? If you assume that the real universe is also an illusion at a higher level ie. (computation on the super-string/ quantum level for example) and that Neo learnt how to manipulate these forces in the real world

That's not what the movie says.