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I have seen Matrix Revolutions and I want to comment on it [no theory discussion here!]

 

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Ok, I know a lot of people were disappointed with Revolutions, but I thought it was awesome, and I’m gonna explain why here. Note before reading: Firstly, I admit that there were flaws in the movie, so don’t complain that I thought it was perfect. Second, in order to like the movie if you hate it, you need to really think about it this way, not just read it and go “yeah, ok.” Also, these are just my interpretations, and everything is open to whatever you want to think. Alright.

First, a recap of maybe confusing points. The oracle tells Neo that the powers of the One are connected directly to the source, meaning that he has a degree of control over the machines. This power has to develop however, meaning that even taking out a few sentinels as he did at the end of Reloaded used all his strength. As the movie goes on though, his power becomes greater. He is able to take out many groups of machines at once by the end of it. Since he isn’t quite all powerful, he can’t take out all of them. When he loses his eyes, he is so connected to the source at that point that all he sees is the light within the machines, seeing only golden light. He has become so attached to the machines that he can see all of them. I thought it was well explained. Then, the oracle tells Neo that he and smith are counterparts, that they counteract eachother. Neo is the power of choice, and Smith is the power of inevitability. Smith so believes that there is no choice, but that everything he does is simply inevitable. Neo however, strives to make the choice. He is so strong in this aspect that not even the oracle can predict what he will do. Then, when Neo fights smith, smith has grown to unbelievable lengths in that time. When smith defeats Neo as he was inevitably meant to do as he says, he asks Neo why he continues to fight even when he has already lost, for what purpose. Neo tells him, because he choses to. Finally, Neo realizes that the inevitable answer is that smith will defeat him. Smith guards that inevitability so well that Neo is powerless to it, so he chooses to die. This choice provokes the innermost power in Neo, triggering his ultimate powers. This of course is the anti-smith, and smith is killed. The war ends and everyone is happy and Neo is a savior. Now, the ending is where there will be the most dispute. It seemed to me that the matrix was pulled back as the cat made of numbers disappeared and the walls lost their green. I think perhaps that the new world was created here. In Reloaded, the architect said that the matrix was only effective on those who chose to accept it, so humans will only be freed from their captivation when they chose it, to live in the new world. As for Sati, her dad said that all programs need a purpose or they’re deleted, and that the Merovingian was going to put her in. Perhaps Sati’s new job is the creator of the new world, as is implied when she says that she made the sunset. Also, what if the new world is heaven. The Merovingian’s nightclub was called Hell. This would make Sati God, wouldn’t it…well, anyway they’re just theories, I don’t know quite what to believe yet. But I’m thinking.

Anyway, I think that the movie wasn’t as bad as is hyped to be on this site. First, I thought there were some twists. We find out that Neo is connected to the source both in and out of the Matrix, we find out he ultimately defeats smith(I didn’t see it coming, and it wasn’t “punch him in the face and he dies” or anything like that), trinity dies, we find out how the war ends…some of them aren’t twists so much new ideas/ending plots, but that doesn’t mean they’re not cool. Personally, there was a TON of stuff I didn’t expect. I don’t really know how you can say there were no fresh ideas. Also, I could definitely identify with the characters. I saw the movie more as a closing that a new plot, and the sense that every character was fighting to live long enough to serve their purpose and then they could die was very powerful for me. Then, there was the main issue that people thought that none of the questions were answered. Here is where I thought there were some flaws. Many questions were not answered, leaving a lot of questionability, such as the depth of the Merovingian. However, there weren’t as many problems as you said there were. It really depends on how you look at it. I think part of the problem was that your site scrutinized the series a lot. Now, this isn’t a bad thing, don’t be mad or anything, but you guys adopted a strict and defined way of looking at it, which obviously wasn’t how the Wachowskis looked at it. You guys were looking for the answer to every question. The Wachowskis wanted you to enter the theater with the following things in mind: The war is about to end, so how will it go? How can Neo defeat Smith and what role does he play here? What is Neo’s relation to the machines? They look at it in the sense that Revolutions is the conclusions to the series, and that we have to come in not looking for answers, but watching for solutions. The movie is meant to conclude the series in the necessary manners, and if you think about it, no question that went unanswered really had any major effect on the plot; everything that affected the end of the series was in there and nothing more. Reloaded was meant to channel viewers into the knowledge that the war is about to end, and Revolutions is about the end, period. It’s not meant to ask questions or be overly complex, just solve the big problem. Since too many people wanted answers to every facet, there was upset. Again, I’m not saying that the problems couldn’t have been solved, but in order to like the movie you have to look at it that way. See it again, but this time go in knowing that this movie is only supposed to wrap up the series. You’ll like it a lot more. I personally thought that as a conclusion to the series(and that's it), the movie rocked. Everything came together well. Well, that’s all. Tell me what you think and I'll answer questions.
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The Moogle wrote:

You guys were looking for the answer to every question.

No, whether the Merovingian is a descendent of Jesus or the Holy spirit is irrelevant. But how can Neo be connected to the source while not jacked-in? Why does he burst the sents with his hands? Why didn't the 4 sentinels kill him? Yeah, he wasn't ready for it.
How could the sent go thru him?
Looks as if he's a program and Zion is fake.

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knnknn wrote:

No, whether the Merovingian is a descendent of Jesus or the Holy spirit is irrelevant.


I don't understand why they would pick that name and then go nowhere with it.

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too much was left to speculation i think that the Ws themselves had ran out of answers...

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they are keeping the answers for that internet game that will come out...

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yeah and they still have to make up those answers...i think that they didnt put the answers in revolutions because all they thought of by that time was lame and hollow...

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I have a feeling they won't give the answers in the game as well...

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they just didnt realise they were way over their heads...i think that they got out of it well, just look at people here, they are trying to explain all the things that were left out...but thats just----> 3Tooth

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people still can't believe that the movies sucked so bad, so they are looking for a meaning... and that's why there are so many theories...

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OK every1 is asking where is the twist in M3. if there was a twist in M3 the Brothers would of had 2 write another movie so u dumb bastards could understand the concept of the movie. this was, for there not 2 b a twist it meant that the Brothers could end the films, meaning that they would not have to write anotha one.

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persephone wrote:

this was, for there not 2 b a twist it meant that the Brothers could end the films, meaning that they would not have to write anotha one.

As I see it: There is no twist AND the movie is not ended -> Sati? Neo dead? More escapers?

How can this be an end? And it isn't: Merchandising machine is rolling....

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they can keep it going for another 20 years without explaining everything... I just hope it doesn't become a trend in moviemaking...

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knnknn wrote:

persephone wrote:

this was, for there not 2 b a twist it meant that the Brothers could end the films, meaning that they would not have to write anotha one.
As I see it: There is no twist AND the movie is not ended -> Sati? Neo dead? More escaper?

How can this be an end? And it isn't: Merchandising machine is rolling....


Ending of a movie (trilogy in this case) doesn't have to mean that all questions must be answered. The main question (what is the matrix) is answered. The ending is that humans and machine will co-exist and that they world they live in is a never-ending cycle.

Humans came onto earth, humans create machines, machines take over, machines enslave humans, humans fight back, humans destroy solar power, machines need humans for power.

Now lets take two possibilities:

a) machines kill off humans, machines dont have power hence machines just killed themselves by killing off all humans.
b) humans destroy machines, humans go back to prehistoric era, they recreate machines again (inevitable) and cycles goes on.

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piyo319 wrote:

Ending of a movie (trilogy in this case) doesn't have to mean that all questions must be answered. The main question (what is the matrix) is answered.

Yeah, since M1. But we still don't know WHY is the matrix. I see no reason at all to run a matrix that could even threaten the system.

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The ending is that humans and machine will co-exist and that they world they live in is a never-ending cycle.

In other words: ...happy thereafter. What a cheap fairytale.

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Humans came onto earth, humans create machines, machines take over, machines enslave humans, humans fight back, humans destroy solar power, machines need humans for power.

The whole story is full of plot holes. If you want to accept the trilogy like that, then OK.

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To be honest, I think that Revolutions was a disappiontment as there wasn't enough Matrix stuff that the first two were famous for.

The Matrix had the best plot, the second the best action and the third, although an ok film in general, it just didn't make me go 'wow' like the other two did...

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I view each film on it's own merits... They were all very different from each other, and I enjoyed every one of them... I have seen Revs twice and I'm going again on Saturday. Cool

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Another Smith wrote:

I view each film on it's own merits...

That is very true.

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The 2nd and 3rd movies are meant as a religious parable and cannot be understood in any other way - I think people are confused by the movies because they can't understand the symbolism - I think the movies make perfect sense and I'll be happy to answer any individual questions. My problem was with the awful AWFUL dialogue!
I've already said which bit I thought was particularly bad. Some of the bits were carried over really well by the coolness but other points just had me groaning.
THAT's why people don't like Revolutions it is a corny religious parable - and no one can link corniness to religion and still take it seriously.

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