»Its either you get it or you don't«

people who saw the movie falls into 2 categories:

Those who undertsood it and those who don't.

If you saw the movie as explained in this link:

While I'm sure that people who identify themselves with "beer college" are usually lucid and insightful people, whoever wrote that doesn't understand some things.

Also, when did you become omniscient? I was not informed.

Lysander wrote:

While I'm sure that people who identify themselves with "beer college" are usually lucid and insightful people, whoever wrote that doesn't understand some things. Also, when did you become omniscient? I was not informed.

I am as omnicient about this movie as I am with Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. You watch the movie and you either understand it or you don't.

Sounds like you didn't and bashing me or those who get it, wont give you answers.

What about the category of people who kinda got it....But still loved it....Don't we get a slot?

-CKO

roborat... bashing those whom you think don't get it is kinda petty, too... isn't it?

The Warchowskis purposely made the Matrix storyline as vague and open to interpretation as possible... this leads to some great debates.

Unfortunately, it also means that NO SINGLE THEORY will be correct enough to be acceptable to EVERYONE.

roborat wrote:

You watch the movie and you either understand it or you don't.

Obviously. They are the only two options.

roborat wrote:

Sounds like you didn't and bashing me or those who get it, wont give you answers.

The problem is that there are no answers. It's easy to get, because it's so straightforward.

Well, after reading this site for a few months and being quite intrigued with all the possibilities after Reloaded was released, and now that I have seen Revolutions I have to coincide with the ideas expressed on the main page. I also have a few ideas of my own.

1) First and foremost, my personal explantion for M3 is this and I don't think that anyone has made a reference to this at all. Way back in 1998, an entire year before the release of M1 there was released a movie called Dark City. I highly recommend that anybody who is a fan of the matrix watch this movie and deny the simularities of the two films. I think Dark City's ideas were reavaged and redesigned by the W brothers. Watch it and then get back to me.

So, the time line for the Matrix movies are as follows: M1 rips off dark city = M1 makes a lot of money = 2 more sequels greenlighted = extended story developed = no real ideas

2) The W bros are guilty of irresponsible movie making. I now refuse to believe that they are super smart directors. I mean come on lets look at the facts. 4 years, 150 million bucks, all original cast members signing on witout readin the scripts, 100% backing from the studio. This is what we get. I mean Geoge Lucus screwed up Star Wars 1 2 and 3. But he sure as hell didn't screw up the first trilogy. I'm not some crazy star wars fan either, i just like good movies and I hate it when they're done so poorly. And also, there are two W bros not 1 Lucas. This means that they were agreeing on bad ideas

3) Lets take a look at that script. Terrible. Dialogue: terrible All we need is love right boys, thanks for rippingoff the beatles ad the bodygaurd as well.

4) How about Zion? Honestly, Did anyone even care, we were all wiaitng for smith vs neo 3 right?

5) Enter the Matrix, Animatrix. How about a McMatrix Burger and your complimentry Trinity wetnap. These are movies not a Toys r Us franchise. I mean even when all this stuff came out I still had hope that in fact these movies would still be great, still make me go and see them 3 or 4 times. But "the big bup kiss" to quote the source itself, nothing but a jumbled mess that I've tried to figure out and now I'm baffled beyond beleif. You don't screw this up, you just don't do it.

Here are my ideas for what should have been written/done in the movies themselves as well as the problems that I had (to add some fuel to the fire):

1) How about smith being the original one that has been assimilated into the source each time the matrix has been rebooted? "its happening just like before" starts to make a little more sence.

2) How about having the super brawl at the end of M3 take place on 2 levels. Bain vs Neo and Smith vs Anderson taking place at the same time. Neo can jack in to the matrix without being jacked in. If both are a side of the equation then Bain is stronger then neo in zion and neo is stronger then smith in thematrix. A crazy battle back and forth with the movie culminating with Bain killing neo in zion which would give neo super super powers and now he exists solely in the matrix with anderson defeating smith. Cut this film with the Zion battle = endless possibilities = a battle to end all battles and a crazy movie.

3) Lets talk about philosphical message here. What are you talking about. Merovingians, phosperones, ones, nothing answered which makes nothing questiond relavent. Biblical allusions done to death. Surprise the W's are sophmore filmakers and they gave us what sophmore directors can give. Bound was a good little movie, good, not great.

4) Um...what happend to the twins, i didn't think that they could die when they changed into ghosts, i also thought that they were able to repair themselves if they were damaged. Not even a cameo in M3.

5) Uh...If Rama sold the oracles shell codes to the Merovingian to smuggle his daughter into the matrix then why was the oracle protecting her and gives up seraph to do so.

6) How about having Neo take this long drive into the smith city in order to go and meet him, to see the devastation that he has done to the city. Way more exciting.

7) So many secondary characters that had no point, The councillors why do they all belive in the one? Cause they're so old, too old.

Link, Lock, all the programs, trainman, merovingian, architect - ironic that in a movie about purpose none of these characters seem to have any.

9) No agents? None, not even a cameo.

Anyway, I'm done, but I have to get this off my chest since I'm frakin angry that the W bros basically screwed up what was to be as simple as a cup of coffee.

For the record, I would go and see a matrix prequel regarding Morpheus's past - that could tie up some loose ends. Let me know what you think.

[quote="roborat"]people who saw the movie falls into 2 categories:If you didnt see it this way, you misundertsood the whole movie. Maybe you even don't undertand what the link was talking about as well. If you have annoying questions in your head about the storyline, its simple, you don't get it.
If your mind is making up alternative explanations to the movie. You didn't get it too. There is no alternative explanations. It is straightforward and a closed loop story. Everything adds up and everything makes sense[quote="roborat"]

As it finally looks like it is not a matter of understanding. We are not finally talking about a well balnced story with deeper phylosophical, social and religious meanings. That was the case until M2 and we all feel for it! The W's were not interested in making a CONSISTENT story but to get more bucks$$$$! What is the best way to sell your product with the least expenses? Make your product self-advertised! Give a mind blowing story with absolutely brilliant technical backround in M1 throw a couple of twists in M2 and you get a couple of thousands of fans asking questions, searching the gnostic religion and every other kind of religion the W's threw in the movies, see the movie at least 10 times to observe every little detail, produce every imaginable kind of story for the final movie, write tons and tons of possible meanings....! Finally, end it with the most usual way and promising even now answers for the stories to come in games?, comics?, movies?, series? We are talking about BIG BUCKS HERE! I thought that the W's were great story tellers but it turns our that they are great producers!

If you think the third Matrix was just special effects... you missed the huge plot twist...

Go to "Why Matrix Answers All Questions" in this forum... you'll be much more pleased with the Movie then...

Without making one connection, it is impossible to have liked the story of the movie.

Thanks

koubaros u got it SO RIGHT! Ws gave their best to confuse the audience that they themselves didnt know how to end it...then they came up with the most gay solution and sold it...crap! crap! crap! no sense! no sense! no sense! NONSENSE!

SEE my previous post... fools

i saw your post its stupid, not revolutions stupid but definetly stupid...moving on

Just ask me questions... I asked you one already in one of my posts... Please reply to my post why it is annoying .

Thanks,

Shidoshi100

ure really nice but ur answers are annoying like hell...u have new questions in questions topic...that doesnt sound right

Funny how the feeble minded people react the same way...

theyre like this coming out of the theater:

WTF! what the hell was that? huh?... duhh.... duhh...


I guess some poeple just aren't ready for the Matrix.... stay plugged in guys... LOL!

So the hugely unpopular Mr. Mirra was annoying the hell out of everybody in this thread too ~ why should I not be surprised by this!

Roborat, even the links that you posted are merely interruptions of the movie. I found "The One is just a program" idea interesting. But to say that Neo has a wireless chip in he's brain is a laughable idea. There is no mention of this in the movie, so i dont see how you could say that if you didn't realise that when you watched the movie you should be shot.

M3 tests your imagination on a whole new level. And where creativity enters the arena, there will always be countless explaintions, because we all interrupt things different (which, mind you, could also be "the point" of the movie).

Just my theory...

I think you meant to say "Interpretation" instead of "Interruption".

yes macbob....Interpretation....I spelt it wrong twice....

Euclid wrote:

I don't think that anyone has made a reference to this at all. Way back in 1998, an entire year before the release of M1 there was released a movie called Dark City.

3 Wachowskis. Think of the woman inside Larry

knnknn, can you enable message deletion?

roborat wrote:

Funny how the feeble minded people react the same way... theyre like this coming out of the theater: WTF! what the hell was that? huh?... duhh.... duhh... I guess some poeple just aren't ready for the Matrix.... stay plugged in guys... LOL!

if anyone is plugged in its you lol... go buy some matrix comics fanboy...

people who saw the movie fall into these 2 categories:

those who have come to accept that the movie sucks

and

those who have extremely low expectations...

BBCH wrote:

people who saw the movie fall into these 2 categories: those who have come to accept that the movie sucks and those who have extremely low expectations...

Finally THAT's a twist to all the discussions