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What is the meaning of "Loop". In revolutions trailer we see a train with the title "Loop". I dont know how many of you paid attention, but the train-station scene in matrix 1 also has a train with "Loop" written on it, actually 2 trains. What is the meaning of "Loop"? Perhaps it refers to a recursive MIM loop??? Or maybe its just a city-loop train

Some elements of Matrix 1 will reoccur. The Hel Club and the train. I hope the white bunny, too.

Maybe the rain scene in m3 is somewhat connected to the rain scene in m1 in the car, when neo is unbugged. Maybe "You have been down there Neo, you know that road", will probably be explained...

1) It rains on Neo (down the road)
2) It rains on Smith (at Morpheus' interrogation)

There is no way that 'LOOP' just means a city-loop train. Essentially nothing in the Matrix is accidental; virtually everything is written very carefully to cary multiple meanings. Of course, this isn't to say that it has to have a meaning as substantial as a recursive MIM/ever-repeating matrix cycle.

But, keep in mind other hints of this and extentions of the repetition/loop theme:

"and the anomoly revealed as both beginning and end."

Constant references to pi, etc.

What about Keanu in Johnny Mnemonic, where the solution to the movie is to "hack your own brain", and to do so, Keanu says, "loop it!" Of course, I don't think the brothers would actually steal content like that, but perhaps it is supposed to be evocative of that, a tip of the hat or homage.

Now that I think about it, there are a lot of loops in the Matrix: ships leave Zion for missions, and always return there. Rebels jack into the Matrix, and unless killed, always jack out to the same place. When inside, rebels always appear at a hard line and have to return to a hard line to escape (okay maybe not the same one, but I'm trying to formulate a point here). Finally, in the specific action of the plot, we have Neo at the end of M1 going to the same room as Trinity used at the beginning of M1. Neo needs to go back (loop back) to the Oracle for more information/guidance in M2. I know all of this is really obvious, and you die hards must have dozens of other examples of this, so I'll just shut up now.

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Constant references to pi, etc.

By the way, Pi has nothing to do with loops: it is a non-repeating infinite irrational number.

Dardekeas

Dardekeas wrote:

By the way, Pi has nothing to do with loops

Except, that it symbolizes a circle.

according to a site which supposed to have had an advance copy of revolutionsand gave the story line...
the loop train is run by the madman we see in earlier movies the train is carrying the child who is the product of two rouge programs.. the child is being shielded from the mergovian..

actually pi doesn't symbolize a circle, it is defined to be the ratio of any cirlce's circumference to it's diameter.

i think that they are all still pluugged and zion and the real world is actually another matrix. And i think that something will happen to neo in the revolutions that will cause him to wake up at the point he does in the first movie and therefore the matrix just goes on and on theres no end so infact it LOOPS! as the arcutect says in reloaded neo has had predessors (spelt wrong) so that means neo has met the architect many times before but neo just doesnt know it.Also i need to check this out but im sure that when the movie starts with the green code , im sure zion is shown in matrix code, but i need to check that im not sure! also i think the oracle has some link to agent smith because in reloaded when he sits next to her on the bench with the chinese guy behind her the seem to know that agent smith is coming and they leave and agent smith is suddenly there. im just guessing but thats what i think.

I think, in contradiction to this site, that the previous 5 anomalies were actually Neo. Maybe his mind got cleared once he fulfilled his purpose (which is relative to what purpose he was made).

One thing that was always a big wonder for me and I never got to solving it, is the rain scene in M1 when Trinity says to Neo "You have been down there, you know that road".

What if??? Neo is like Bourne (Bourne Identity), lost his memory, and every action is an instinct to something he knew before. "You dont know what it is, but you can feel it, you've felt it your entire life", and you knew it your entire life, now you need to remember. Somehow he always knew his purpose, I think.

But definitely, I can feel something important in that M1 scene. And in fact it should be something important because it made Neo change his mind in a short period of time and begin to trust Trinity.

Dusan wrote:

I think, in contradiction to this site

Huh? THis site doesn't contradict anything.

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that the previous 5 anomalies were actually Neo.

Could very well be,
a) IF the matrix cycles (reboots)
b) IF Zion is a fake
c) IF Zion cycle, too.

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One thing that was always a big wonder for me and I never got to solving it, is the rain scene in M1 when Trinity says to Neo "You have been down there, you know that road".

Suggestion #1: There is the prison or asylum
Suggestion #2: It's a reference to another movie. But I cannot find out which one.

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One thing that was always a big wonder for me and I never got to solving it, is the rain scene in M1 when Trinity says to Neo "You have been down there, you know that road".

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Suggestion #1: There is the prison or asylum Suggestion #2: It's a reference to another movie. But I cannot find out which one.

There is a New Testament spin on this scene given at :

SJ wrote:

Quote: Suggestion #1: There is the prison or asylum Suggestion #2: It's a reference to another movie. But I cannot find out which one. There is a New Testament spin on this scene given at : awesomehouse.com...

Very spinny:
S. Here again is the theme that there is only one Way to real life. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father, except through Me." (John 14:6). Switch uses the term 'highway' to describe the option of going back to the slavery of the Matrix, which is an interesting parallel to "…the way is broad [like a 'highway'] that leads to destruction…but the way is narrow that leads to life" (Matt. 7:13).

The use of the word - loop - in the train scene should be viewed as symbolic. (dreams 101 - buy a book)

A train travels a well worn track, incapable of deviating from that track and going off on its own as say, a bike might. It suggests an autonomous response ( like breathing - it happens naturally without our conscious awareness).

Neo fighting Smith in a train station suggests that this fight was inevitable, bound to happen, beyond their control as it was a well worn path travelled many times ( as we discover in the Architects speech in M2 - this will be the 6th time we have destroyed it and we've become exceedingly good at it).

As for the comment that The Oracle and Seraph seem to know that Agent Smith is coming - this is good. Seraph knows he's coming because Smith showed up 5 times previously. They've managed to hone the timing down. Also suggests that Seraph ( because of his urgency?)may be older ( wiser) than the oracle???

lady wrote:

The use of the word - loop - in the train scene should be viewed as symbolic.

Hmm

The bum ("Last time Zion lasted 48 hours") is credited as "trainman". The train, the man and "LOOP" must mean more...

knnknn wrote:

lady wrote: The use of the word - loop - in the train scene should be viewed as symbolic. Hmm The bum ("Last time Zion lasted 48 hours") is credited as "trainman". The train, the man and "LOOP" must mean more...

When Niobe asks him who he is, he says something like "I'm just a spectator...", which maybe implies that he does not have an active function in the plot.

YEAH

I just posted another topic (oops) trying to connect the Trainman to the LOOP train.

On The Matrix
STATE and BALBOA was suppose to be a CLOSED or ABANDONED station
WHY is there a TRAIN going through it.
LOOP is the same train from the fist film

NOTE: Smith says "do you hear that?"
[The sound from LOOP]"is the sound of inevitability"

The Station before had a single boarding side it was a single STATION.

MOBIL Ave. From the Revolutions Trailer seems to be the PLACE where Neo wakes up from his coma (or after the machines decided to jack him back into the Matrix to stop Smith)
So it is a multiple STATION.
YOU can see the Trainman jump across the tracks, but technically we
dont know if that is the same STATION, but there's another boarding side
MAYBE the train can take you between worlds. or Into other dream worlds.
The oracle says "[Neo] is trapped in a WORLD between this WORLD, and the machine WORLD" comfirming the existance of several dream worlds
(This theory works in your BELEIVE what the oracles says)

SIDEBAR:
The so called "pushed-way" guy or RAMA KANDRA is there as well. The hindu connection is obvious because of the name I "think" I saw the "eye dot" on his wifes forhead. Remember That Sir Ramachandra was the 7th incarnation of Vishnu and that Neo is the 6th ONE. (per Architech Speech)
Also remember that "Zion" can be seen as the blink of Vishnu

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