»A Trio of Mistakes from Matrix 1«

Two Things
DOZER: Squiddies coming in fast!
NEO: Squiddie?
TRINITY: A sentinal. A killing machine designed for ONE thing -
DOZER: Search and Destroy
Search and Destroy is TWO things!

Super Fast Morpheus
Morpheus put the plug into Neo's head and then says 'This will feel a little weird'. Neo then screams and we see Morpheus pressing a button. Then Neo stops screaming and he is in the construct. Morpheus is standing there too. HE MUST BE SUPER FAST!

Cypher's Amazing Skill
Don't you need someone to dail you into the matrix/get you out? Then how did Cypher manage it when he met Smith in the resteraunt?

Hmm, well we do see cypher playing around with the computer system in a suspicious way, he even makes a point of looking worried and turning off one of the screens when Neo stumbles upon him in the early hours. Of course, Neo cant read matrix code by this point, so he is relieved when he sees who it is (and makes a point of trying to get him slightly drunk). I would say that Cypher set things up so that he was in the matrix for a set time and then would be automatically booted out.

thatz funny....... i lloooooove the cypher one, but i dont get the morpheus one.... pretty hilarious : )

MantaRay wrote:

Search and Destroy is TWO things!

Yeah, but what is search without destroying? I think we could consider this as 1 unit. But good point anyway.

MantaRay wrote:

Morpheus is standing there too. HE MUST BE SUPER FAST!

Well OK, so it took him 5-10 seconds to jackin.

MantaRay wrote:

Don't you need someone to dail you into the matrix/get you out?

No, this is already explained in another post.

it's less than 5-10 seconds, it's pretty much instant.
Neo screams, so Morpheus presses a button. Cut back to Neo in the construct, stops screaming. Pulls back from Neo as Morpheus says: 'this.. is the construct'.

i was also amazed that Neo tosses away a total of 5 M92 pistols: two in the lobby, a pair on the roof (after he shoots at the agent), and a final one in the subway ("your empty" "so are you")

-whistler

What makes you think that's the "real" Morpheus?

why bother making a virtual morpheus when you've got the real one?

Quote:

Two Things DOZER: Squiddies coming in fast! NEO: Squiddie? TRINITY: A sentinal. A killing machine designed for ONE thing - DOZER: Search and Destroy Search and Destroy is TWO things!

I would consider this humor....but really they are one thing....

i kinda like the idea of a simulated Morpheus. I mean, if it were me, i'd want a program to take my place cause i'd get pretty tired of saying that whole speech to the 5 'ones' before neo.

also, the search and destroy thing. it's like a command. you have to search before u can destroy, and what's the point of searching without destroying. it's not like the squiddies are playing 'hide and go seek' with the neb. so... search and destroy is one thing. also, they could have used the idea as a sort of humor. 1 thing, search and destroy, haha. like in back to the future where biff says: make like a tree and get out of here

and the whole cypher thing, that's been explained before, and i believe that in the original script they even showed how he got into the matrix.

erm morpheus DIDN'T do that speech to the other Ones... this is the only one he has known...

no... cypher told neo that morpheus had found 5 'ones' before neo, and they all got killed cause they weren't the one. Look in the script for Matrix one, the scene where Cypher and Neo are talking and Cypher's got Dozer's drink and they're alone looking at the matrix coding.

Mentalz37 wrote:

no... cypher told neo that morpheus had found 5 'ones' before neo, and they all got killed cause they weren't the one. Look in the script for Matrix one, the scene where Cypher and Neo are talking and Cypher's got Dozer's drink and they're alone looking at the matrix coding.

i think what we're talking about is the finished work of art: the film. if there is a passage in the script that is not included in the film, than citing that passage in a discussion of the film is insufficent evidence to support your assertion. scripts are to most filmmakers what a musical score is to most jazz musicians: a starting point from which you improvise as the demands of the performance dictate you must. if there is a note on a musical score and a musician decides not to play it, the note cannot be said to have been a part of the musician's performance. similarly, if a passage from the script fails to make it to the finished version of the film, it cannot be said to be a part of that film. so, the episode with cypher that you describe only has any kind of relevance in a discussion of the scripts. it holds little weight in a discussion of the films.

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you can't bring up early versions of the script as your defence!

hey i figure, that's the way the wachowskis intended it to be. That's not the way it turned out, but that's how they meant it. Either way, Morpheus has freed other people, so he has had to make the speech before. My point isn't whether or not there were a bunch of mistaken 'one's before Neo, my point is that it would be annoying for Morpheus to say the whole thing over and over again. So perhaps, PERHAPS, the Morpheus that says the whole thing to Neo is a program in the construct. Even if he's not, it's such a minor detail that it just doesn't matter to me, and i don't find it worth arguin over, so y'all can step off me.

that poses a good arguement.

Morpheus says earlier to Neo: "no, the honour is mine"
IF Morphues HAD found 'others' Ones, by making a program to be him is showing a COMPLETE lack of faith in what he's done. If he REALLY believed the person was The One, he would do it himself, because he would be 'honoured' to speak with him. C'mon think about it, its just a mistake. Don't read anything more into it. This is REALLY important to Morpheus, the most important thing in his life (we see how he sacrificed his relationship with the woman he loves, Niobi, because of what the oracle told him) and if he trully believed (which he obviously did) that Neo was The One he would have given the speach himself. Also, if Morpheus wrote a program to tell The One about the 'truth', what kind of moral would that give the crew? "Well, he can't even bother to tell him himself, he doesnt really believe in the The One shit, why should I?"

And sure, he might have written a program for all the people he had 'freed', but i'm sure he would have gone to abit of effort for Neo and the Other Ones...

Very good point. OK, you win.

no everyone wins

yes, this is not about winning! it's about understanding
and i may not be right, im just saying why I think what you're saying is wrong...

hey i was just watching Mortal Kombat today, and i noticed a bunch of similarities between that and the trilogy. First off, Lu Kang says "i am the chosen one" towards the end, and soon he has this whole cool shoot-energy-out-of-hands power. There was something else too, but i can't remember it right now... i need to watch it again and then i'll post when i figure it out.

It is just a computer generrated Moprhius. I guess due to it's neo's body first time into the matrix by a human built machine. Problems could possiblely happen witht the human built ones. To monitor neo's systems they could need alot of hands.

But also, they would have to make the program. Were they REALLY that sure that a ONE would come along and help 'em? But then, to counter act that, it could just be a "Fill name in here" program used to teach newbies to the real world.

or if you notice, when neo is jacked out before he pops, doesn't morpheus jack out too

How cool did it look? Neo had just got logged in and the camera moves and *WOW!* Morpheus is there beside him. While Morpheus is standing waiting Neo is still looking around and trying to understand his surroundings.

There has to be a theatrical element to the movies too right?