»Where are those who dont accept the Matrix program?«

If nearly 99 percent of the people accept the program, then EVERYONE who accepts the program does it as long as they are given a choice.

If Zion was a MwM (virtual) CHOICE:
Where are the 1.x% of people that don't accept the program?
*Dead
*In the real real real real world.

If Zion was a Real (phisycal) CHOICE:
Where are the 1.x% of people that don't accept the program?
*in Zion

Your thoughts.

Hmmm, I choose....

Andromeda wrote:

If Zion was a Real CHOICE: Where are the 1.x% of people that don't accept the program? *in Zion

But I already made the choice, now I have to understand it


(oh, you might want to hold onto something, you don't want to fall over when this thread moves )

I think that people that doesent accept The Matrix is getting killed and melted into food for the other people who has accepted the program, the same way they do with the people who dies... You get this explained by Morphius in the first movie when he tells Neo about the matrix...

etse wrote:

I think that people that doesent accept The Matrix is getting killed

Like the black sprinter and the Kid in Animatrix.

I believe that in the first versions of The Matrix, people who didn't accept the program died, or were killed. That is hinted by Agent Smith in The Matrix:

Agent Smith: Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at it's beauty, it's genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering.

What Smith is referring to is from the first versions of The Matrix; the ones that crashed. Maybe the machines did create Zion to keep the humans alive, thus, still making humans useful as batteries.

Not my favorite theory (MwM), but still possible.

I'm verry sure that they dies or gets killed by the mahines if they dont accept the program and then they are made to liquid they feed the other human beings with... (They have to eat something...) Wel as you said oscargabrielp Smith tell Neo that "...Entire crops were lost...."

according to many: neo was flushed out because his signal was read as a dead body. then wouldn't he be liquified to make food instead of just being wasted?.. the same for all the liberated minds.

my point was: if he was reading as dead. he's be liquified.. .. so the only explaination i can think of for the machines releasing free minds and flushing them instead of liquifying them is:

1. theyre becoming humane
2. they assume all humans will drown in the water anyway as they have litte to no muscles and are almost blind AND.. theres no food on the planet anyway.

but still. it would be more efficient to use them too.

I have been thinking about this for a while. Why not just liquify people if and when they wake up from the matrix? This would eliminate the need for Zion and should Eliminate the ONe. The machines obvoisly have control of the human fields. Why unplug them and let them go? Obvoiusly he would drown on his own, but if this is the 6th matrix I think the machines would realize by then that these people are getting help.

Ive already come up with some counter argument of my own to this and I have not ready everything in these forums. Im just wondering others thoughts on this

Wel... when Neo was flusjed into the water the Nebuchanesar piced him up with a claw... Maybe if thay hadent picked him up he would have been liquided and been feeded to the other ones who still was in "The Matrix"...

crosbb wrote:

Why not just liquify people if and when they wake up from the matrix?

Maybe they don't liquify escapees 'cos they don't want their "contaminated" 1% ness back in the food chain.

Or maybe it was part of the "deal" signed in Second Ren;

They can't kill people who don't accept the program unless they become a threat to the system.

Zion reaching 250,000 could be the threashold by which the machines judge it to be a threat.

OK thats not my real point.
The point is why wouldn't they just kill those that wake up, however it's done.
Have sentinals gaurding the fields and kill those that wake up. (and don't feed them to the living if its contaminated.) This would still eliminate the need for zion and the one. I think....

why would they assume neo was dead? the machine picked neo up by the throat, andd by his reactions i think it was clear he wasnt dead, eyes open,struggeling?you see what i mean, i dont think the machiens are dumb, and i think they could easily distinguish between a dead person and a live person, (i havent watched teh first one in a while) but here goes, i think they may have hacked into the machines or something coz the machine holding him suddenly lets go? its as if it is being controlled by something else? im not sure just a suggestion

Anonymous wrote:

the machine holding him suddenly lets go? its as if it is being controlled by something else? im not sure just a suggestion

Also just before it lets go, it extends a hyperdermic, but it doesn't use it.

In the First Movie Morphius is telling Neo about how the dead people are made in to liquid to feed the Living ones... Maybe the machines want him to drown in the water... Becouse I dont think the machines knows that he are getting helped and picked up...

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why would they assume neo was dead? the machine picked neo up by the throat, andd by his reactions i think it was clear he wasnt dead, eyes open,struggeling?you see what i mean, i dont think the machiens are dumb, and i think they could easily distinguish between a dead person and a live person, (i havent watched teh first one in a while) but here goes, i think they may have hacked into the machines or something coz the machine holding him suddenly lets go? its as if it is being controlled by something else? im not sure just a suggestion

good point. but.....

if they could hack into machines, why not hack into the sentinals and they wouldn't have to worry about them. maybe thats what neo did at the end of m2?

also that still doesn't show why they wouldn't have many sentinals patrolling the area.

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In the First Movie Morphius is telling Neo about how the dead people are made in to liquid to feed the Living ones... Maybe the machines want him to drown in the water... Becouse I dont think the machines knows that he are getting helped and picked up...

ohh come on. v6 of matrix and they still don't know how they escape? I don't think so...

They have to pich him up and release so a new human being can power up that "battery"... And I dont think it is easy to liquid him is all this cabels are plugged into him... And everytime the Zion gets destroyed... EVERYTHING gets reset... The architect tells neo that... i think that includes the Machines...

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They have to pich him up and release so a new human being can power up that "battery"... And I dont think it is easy to liquid him is all this cabels are plugged into him... And everytime the Zion gets destroyed... EVERYTHING gets reset... The architect tells neo that... i think that includes the Machines...

good point with freeing up the space, but all they would have to do was make sure he was dead before flushing, or have a sentinal guard where they drop out. Maybe the machines are reset, but they can also be upgraded to allow for blocking people coming out.

crosbb wrote:

... but all they would have to do was make sure he was dead before flushing, or have a sentinal guard where they drop out. Maybe the machines are reset, but they can also be upgraded to allow for blocking people coming out.

Maybe the machines dont care about he is dead or alive... Becouse if he is alive he wil drown in the water... And the machis are being upgaded its time the world gets reset... But i think they forget everuthing that has heppend the last time... Becouse i dont think they would have dome the same thing 6 times the same way if the has remembered that they had done it before...

2 points.

1. think of everything inside the matrix that can remember before the last reset or atleast knows about things before the last reset. Smith knows about a previeous version. Merovingian knows of his predessesors. (although some think predessesors could mean previous candidates for the one) the architect.
So it appears that just becuase the system reboots doesn't mean the machines don't remember anything previous.

2. the whole point of the matrix is to control people. the only problem with the matrix is the anamoly. the matrix keeps getting redesigned to prevent the anamoly. A much simpler way to prevent the anamoly is at the point he is most vulnerable. Right when he wakes up. Take him out then.

You got some points there crosbb but i think the machines are getting reset... And not Agent Smith... He's a littel tricky one... He's not an Agent and not an Human being... Like the Oracle he is he's own program... He got free from the agents when Neo killed him... And when they are there own programs maybe they eascaped from the reset...

And it is not sure that the machines even knows that there is any "The one" who wil save the humans from the machines...

marl64 wrote:

Or maybe it was part of the "deal" signed in Second Ren; They can't kill people who don't accept the program unless they become a threat to the system.

Good point, but why do they want to kill the sprinter and the kid in Animatrix?

Why cant they kill people that hase woke up from the matrix unless they are a danger for the system? the machines does not have feelings...

knnknn wrote:

marl64 wrote: Or maybe it was part of the "deal" signed in Second Ren; They can't kill people who don't accept the program unless they become a threat to the system. Good point, but why do they want to kill the sprinter and the kid in Animatrix?

I didn't think they tried to kill the Athlete, just keep him quiet.

The only thing I can think of for the kid us that originally they wanted to bug him like they did with Neo. When he ran they switched to cop mode. "stop or we'll shoot"

etse wrote:

Why cant they kill people that hase woke up from the matrix unless they are a danger for the system? the machines does not have feelings...

It was a suggestion based on the Second Renaissance, where the machines sign an agreement with the humans just before the matrix is started up.