»Why were the Matrix movies written in your opinion?«

Ok, so here's your chance. You get three reasons, just three to state why you think these movies were written. If you think there are ten or even one billion reasons, then just pick the top three.

Here's mine:

1) The W's wanted us to see that all things are far more alike than we can imagine. It was to give all of us a common lexicon from which to analyze as much of the world as possible. Not as a replacement, but as a map of the "empire." In many ways, it is as much about Baudrilliard as Jean claims it isn't even though it is not as detailed a map as one would need to fit Jean's description on the nature of a truely frayed map of the empire that is as large as it.

2) They wanted to make a piece of work that entertained as much as it made you think. Perhaps even on a subcouncious level, they meant to show you that all aspects of reality are to be valued. Even to agree with Intell in a recent thread, I'd say that the meant to show you that the mind and body must both be valued. Emotion and thought are both important. One must hold them all in equal esteem on some level.

3) They wanted to contribute, get paid and prove they're superiority in both the philosophy and film world. They wanted to show what they're made of and in so doing, tell you that you should probably do the same. They were telling us that we should question all of our answers for ourselves.

Now you...

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Now this is the kind of thinking I like. Your three reasons can form one big reason, imho. And I'm thinking along that line as well. The only thing I can say at this point is: Have you read Tozy and Vanexel's essay?

Aether wrote:

Ok, so here's your chance. You get three reasons, just three to state why you think these movies were written. If you think there are ten or even one billion reasons, then just pick the top three. Here's mine: 1) The W's wanted us to see that all things are far more alike than we can imagine. It was to give all of us a common lexicon from which to analyze as much of the world as possible. Not as a replacement, but as a map of the "empire." In many ways, it is as much about Baudrilliard as Jean claims it isn't even though it is not as detailed a map as one would need to fit Jean's description on the nature of a truely frayed map of the empire that is as large as it. 2) They wanted to make a piece of work that entertained as much as it made you think. Perhaps even on a subcouncious level, they meant to show you that all aspects of reality are to be valued. Even to agree with Intell in a recent thread, I'd say that the meant to show you that the mind and body must both be valued. Emotion and thought are both important. One must hold them all in equal esteem on some level. 3) They wanted to contribute, get paid and prove they're superiority in both the philosophy and film world. They wanted to show what they're made of and in so doing, tell you that you should probably do the same. They were telling us that we should question all of our answers for ourselves. Now you...

4. It is time for humanity to evolve.

Gina Rink wrote:

4. It is time for humanity to evolve.

So the Matrix movies where written because it's time for humanity to evolve? I so doubt that that was what the W's where thinking when they wrote the movies.

GhostTrax wrote:

Gina Rink wrote: 4. It is time for humanity to evolve. So the Matrix movies where written because it's time for humanity to evolve? I so doubt that that was what the W's where thinking when they wrote the movies.

Hehe. It may not be the effect. But, it's definitely the cause.

It's the same thing that Maxwell, Icke, and all those guys do. The difference being they put you deeper into the Matrix (the construct) instead of taking you out of it.

Gina Rink wrote:

4. It is time for humanity to evolve.

Oooww.... so thats why Larry W looks like a woman, he wants to evolveee

pendaco wrote:

Gina Rink wrote: 4. It is time for humanity to evolve. Oooww.... so thats why Larry W looks like a woman, he wants to evolveee

Actually, yeah. Or, at least, have the freedom to.

Edit: It's like how some people will hire someone to give them pain because they don't want to be afraid of it.

And look at the responses. Fear, Doubt, and Disbelief. It's okay to have these. But consider why.

Why is it unreasonable to say that these movies were written because it's time for humans to evolve. Almost every religious text says the same thing in one way or another. The Matrix actually tries to get you to visualise it.

Pendaco, why do you think the words Second Renaissance was used?

So this thread worked out wrongly. I was hoping for better. Like for people to actually follow the format.

Intell wrote:

Now this is the kind of thinking I like. Your three reasons can form one big reason, imho. And I'm thinking along that line as well. The only thing I can say at this point is: Have you read Tozy and Vanexel's essay?

Part of it. I sorta got lost in the maze of the writing style and never had enough time to go back and sort through it. Definitely mean to though.

Gina Rink wrote:

Edit: It's like how some people will hire someone to give them pain because they don't want to be afraid of it.

Ooo, I have to take exception with this slightly. I think people hire someone to give them pain most of the time because they are addicted to their own deviancies. There are people that will say, get into a program to get over their fear of flying by getting into a simulated plane ride but most people are not ready to be unplugged. Rather, they revel in their own squaller.

Gina Rink wrote:

4. It is time for humanity to evolve.

Intell wrote:

And look at the responses. Fear, Doubt, and Disbelief. It's okay to have these. But consider why.

Well sure. We always "seem" to be devolving though.

I believe in disgenics. I believe that Jerry Springer watching, Twinkie gobbling, non-thinkers everywhere are having kids because they're bored and that smarter, more motivated folks are holding off on having kids because they are pursuing life and meaning.

I believe that the world has stood on the shoulders of great people but that this is the way of the world. You have to keep playing the genetic/environmental lottery until it pays off. And you never know when you're gonna hit the right numbers.

Here it is though: is the level of automation and comfort for some, offset by the automation's ability to disseminate and make greater the POTENTIAL education for anyone in the world? This is the greatest question to your answer.

Doesn't evolution happen anyway? Does it need anyone to catalyze it for everyone? Does everyone HAVE to come along for the ride? Will not the weak die off anyway? Will we not evolve meaningfully anyway? Isn't the greatest truth of Darwin that life always finds a way?

PS - Gina, I started building up to quantum mind theory and you were nowhere to be found. What happened?

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4. It is time for humanity to evolve.

...Is simply the answer to the question asked in the OP.

I think the movies are presenting it as if there's a time limit on it. Never before in history has all life on the planet been at stake. Or, shall I say, in my exposure, that seems to be the case.

And the evolution involves "consciousness and then self-awareness." (Larry W.)

intell wrote:

Quote: 4. It is time for humanity to evolve. ...Is simply the answer to the question asked in the OP. I think the movies are presenting it as if there's a time limit on it. Never before in history has all life on the planet been at stake. Or, shall I say, in my exposure, that seems to be the case. And the evolution involves "consciousness and then self-awareness." (Larry W.)

Interesting. I like that. I hadn't thought of it saying there's a time limit on it but I guess that could be true.

As far as conciousness and then self-awareness, he's not saying anything that Maslow didn't conclude with self-actualization.

I would think the most dangerous time in history would have been like 1944 to say 1992 give or take a year or two. It was the time most likely in history IMHO to have drug the world into a nuclear race that would have destroyed everyone. (I know you used to have the picture from the Trinity nuke test as your avatar so I thought maybe that's what you meant).

How so do you mean that it is more dangerous now? Do you mean that we are in danger of losing our society as we know it? Do you mean we are in severe danger of losing our selves and devolving? Do you mean that now is the most compelling time for an islamic fundamentalist to destroy the west? Do you mean that global warming is gonna get many of us? Do you believe that we are in dire straits with and that we are losing greater and greater sight of the rugged individuals that Herbert Hoover thought we would become?

I'd like to know how now is the most volitile time in history or how one would come to that conclusion.

Most volatile because in times past, it may have taken a serious error to bring about virtual total destruction, but now for this to happen, things just simply have to remain on their current course.

Nuclear proliferation, global warming, deforestation, poisoning the air, water, and food, ongoing depletion of natural resources, trends related to uneven distribution of access to necessities of life. Any one of these (and there are more) is enough to make the point. But all of these converge in one time period to add emphasis to the fact that it is all circling the drain.

intell wrote:

Most volatile because in times past, it may have taken a serious error to bring about virtual total destruction, but now for this to happen, things just simply have to remain on their current course. Nuclear proliferation, global warming, deforestation, poisoning the air, water, and food, ongoing depletion of natural resources, trends related to uneven distribution of access to necessities of life. Any one of these (and there are more) is enough to make the point. But all of these converge in one time period to add emphasis to the fact that it is all circling the drain.

Uneven distribution has always been around, I'd say it's better now than it's ever been in history.

Nuclear proliferation, also down.

Global warming, at least we're doing something now.

Poisoning the food? How? Mercury? I'll bet you that for the civilized world, It's better now than it's ever been.

Air and water poisoning? Yeah, that's bad. Specially the nuclear stuff. Bad bad. Need another habitable planet for back up now. Or at least need to start dumping stuff on the moon or sending it into Venus's atmosphere. Or something. Need space exploration now. Need inter-planetary trash dumping. You'd think we would started doing that 30 years ago. Not too bright are we.

Deforestation... that is bad, you're right. Really bad for us.

Ongoing depletion of natural resources? Like what? Oil? That's part of the problem anyway. Hope it does disappear, that'll solve part of the global warming and distribution of wealth problems. The earth doesn't need gooey dead dinosaurs, bauxite or methane gas pockets to survive.

unholyTrinity: When did you think about making this movie for the very first time? Was there a kind of special inspiration given by any event, occasion or something like that?

WachowskiBros: It all happened very rapidly. We were working on another comic book, and a friend asked us if we had any ideas for a new series. We said no, and then we just started talking about a couple of ideas that we had been working on in connection to cyberpunk fiction. A whole idea sort of exploded, over a period of about three days.

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linusa: Do you believe that our world is in some way similar to "The Matrix", that there is a larger world outside of this existence?

WachowskiBros: That is a larger question than you actually might think. We think the most important sort of fiction attempts to answer some of the big questions. One of the things that we had talked about when we first had the idea of The Matrix was an idea that I believe philosophy and religion and mathematics all try to answer. Which is, a reconciling between a natural world and another world that is perceived by our intellect.

godbox: Confronted with Neo's choice, which would you choose?

WachowskiBros: Blue pill.

(...)

AgentMartin: Do you appreciate people dissecting your movie? Do you find it a bit of an honour, or does it annoy you a little, especially when the person may have it all wrong?

WachowskiBros: There's not necessarily ever an "all wrong". Because it's about what a person gets out of the movie, what an individual gets out of the movie.

whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com...

Well thank you tozy but the question was, why was it written in your opinion not the W's.

Aether wrote:

Well thank you tozy but the question was, why was it written in your opinion not the W's.

If you understand the theology behind the Matrix, you have to respond to your statement, Aether, with "What's the difference?"

CaptPostMod wrote:

If you understand the theology behind the Matrix, you have to respond to your statement, Aether, with "What's the difference?"

I'm not saying that it has to be different, I'm saying that if you just quote the creators, it shows none of your opinion whatsoever. Unless you count editing...

Aether wrote:

CaptPostMod wrote: If you understand the theology behind the Matrix, you have to respond to your statement, Aether, with "What's the difference?" I'm not saying that it has to be different, I'm saying that if you just quote the creators, it shows none of your opinion whatsoever. Unless you count editing...

What do you see as the fundamental difference between you and the creator[s]?

CaptPostMod wrote:

What do you see as the fundamental difference between you and the creator[s]?

Nothing and everything.

And if I, you and they were in the same room, I'd bump heads with them or punch them both in the arm.

intell wrote:

Almost every religious text says the same thing in one way or another

Religious texts are brainwashing tools that stop people from thinking for themselves. If humanity is to evolve at all, a great first step would be to stop following religious texts and stop bringing children up in a particular faith, and let them, when they are old enough, choose for themselves what they want to believe. Otherwise you're just turning them into narrow minded fools who follow a religion because they've been taught to do so.

Now there's a Matrix for ya, religion. And just for the record, I am not a big science freak either.

Why where the movies made, in my opinion? Well, entertainment, for one, it really is so damn stylish. The Matrix has really ruined basically every other movie for me in terms of coolness and style, nothing comes close to looking as good as the matrix movies do! And to make people think, you can discuss them forever from so many different angles which you can't really do with say, die hard or whatever haha!

They're basically very cool action movies that make you think, or vice versa.

Peace.

So they spent 10 years creating the films just to entertain? They could have dedicated 10 weeks for that. Unless they weren't sincere when they wrote on the inside cover of the 10-dvd box set.

Aether wrote:

Nothing and everything.

Excellent answer

GhostTrax wrote:

Religious texts are brainwashing tools that stop people from thinking for themselves.

Any form of media can used to convince someone of something, no?

GhostTrax wrote:

Religious texts are brainwashing tools that stop people from thinking for themselves.

"Thought is the problem"--David Bohm