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Is Revolutions going to answer all questions?

do you think that its gonna disappoint us?

or its gonna clearfy all questions that are multiple-answered?

1) I think it will be hard for the Wachowskis to come up with a new idea, that isn't already mentioned here on matrix-explained.com

2) Reeves (Neo) said in an interview, that Revolutions will not answer everything and will raise new questions

3) Smith (Niobe) said in an interview, that Revolutions will relief people by answering a lot of questions.

4) Since the show must go on (Matrix Online etc) the Matrix itself will most probably survive.

I feel that, judging by reloaded, the Wachowski's have more surprises than Larry's sexuality. I don't know where this story is going to go, but I'll bet it will have some out there qualities.
Matrix Online might not really be set after the movies. I know the web site advertises it that way, but it may be more innovative than that. And, if it is set after the movies, it still might not be what you think. We'll just have to wait and see, and speculation be damned.

I believe that everything that we really NEED to have answered to be happy, will be answered, but some minor things(like the oracle's origin maybe)will be left to the imagination. I do not expect to be disappointed at all.
Unless it ends like star trek 5 the final frontier.

I think the real issue here is whether or not there is enough of a storyline to carry through for any more films.

I have not yet seen Terminator III, though I probably shall. The thing is, that I suspect that it will be more of a re-make rather than an extention to the story. The end of of II was pretty neat, in that although it lead us into the unknown, it also brought about the possibility of avoiding THE WAR. What can III say that II and I hasn't?

Likewise with THE MATRIX, it was conceived to be a trilogy, wasn't it? Or rather, an initial film followed by a two part story, like the original Star Wars trilogy (and also Back to the Future). More films might come about, but will they add to the story?

I suspect the directors' intentions from the start was to produce action films that would also force the viewer to think, and nothing does that better than an unsolved mystery.

You have to admit, if this forum is anything to go by, that they've succeeded

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Is Revolutions going to answer all questions? do you think that its gonna disappoint us?

It is going to answer every question except why the machines need humans for energy, and that will be very disappointing, atleast to me.

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It is going to answer every question except why the machines need humans for energy, and that will be very disappointing, atleast to me.

Actually, that question has pretty much already been answered. In M1 we find that the machines need humans to survive because they're the catalyst in a reaction with a new form of fusion which only needs a spark to create power. The humans provide that spark.

In M2 we find the machines need humans for purpose. Without humans, machines don't have purpose. All throughout history, machines have served humans. Without serving humans, machines would lose that purpose, and theoretically cease to exist. Very similar to the question of "When a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" So if a machine does its little thing and there's no human there to see it or benefit from it, does it even exist?

Laura , you should definitely watch T3 . The third episode was long overdue . The story felt perfectly into place with the othe two .

There must be more to it for the machines to keep humans alive that their battery capacities . Perhaps it gives machines a sense of purpose as Strife said . Perhaps it is due to the product of the machines' ego . Did the Architect's ego strike anyone ? These theories are under the assumption that the matrix is unwanted , which I believe is a false assumption .

drnima wrote:

Laura , you should definitely watch T3 . The third episode was long overdue . The story felt perfectly into place with the othe two .

Sounds good to me.

drnima wrote:

There must be more to it for the machines to keep humans alive that their battery capacities . Perhaps it gives machines a sense of purpose as Strife said . Perhaps it is due to the product of the machines' ego . Did the Architect's ego strike anyone ? These theories are under the assumption that the matrix is unwanted , which I believe is a false assumption

Or maybe there's "less" to it as well. If say, what we know as the matrix is but one level in say, a three level virtual reality (i.e. "Real Life" / Zion & "Outside World" / The Matrix) then it may merely be just one of several explanations that are merely there to satisy curiosity. Or, it could be an explanation that's there in order to create struggle.

Perhaps the purpose of the Matrix is to provide an interesting environment. Maybe it wasn't the machines that put the humans into self contained capsules, maybe the humans did it themselves, as an ultimate "out". Only, people started dying of boredom. Answer -- create a struggle whereby a person's attention is focused on the issue at hand. The ones that transcend that initial struggle (the level Neo starts at), graduate to level 2, which is the Matrix/Zion dichotomy.

That last one is implied by Neo's "mystical" ability to stop the hunter machines, which could easily be explained if that level were "only" vitual as well.

No doubt all of the above has already been suggested. Guess we'll have to wait until # 3 to find out.

Do you think the great collective mind of the internet chat room has solved the answer that will be revealed in the final film, or do you think that there will be a completley different answer.

Prehaps all the theories have been generated to lead the audiance astray. That would be very 'matrixy'.

I think the community is pretty close with answers. Maybe the Wachwoski brothers should have waited for the thrid part a bit longer. Cheking out reactions, theories, reading matrix-explained.com several years

Just like Star Wars

i think someone else said it in a different post, if the answer to the whole "neo kills the squids" thing is the "matrix within a matrix" the story will lose some of its splendor. if there is a different answer to why neo can have those powers in the actual real world, the answer would have to be more creative and complex. therefore, it would be a lot more interesting.

one more thing, i don't think the machine vs. human struggle is just a way to create an interesting struggle that will entertain us while the W's wait to tell us that everything is inside a matrix. the machine vs. human struggle is the story. the matrix is a product of that struggle.

by the way, thank God the W's didn't wait to base their story on fan's theories. isn't it better that out of their own ideas about philosophy (not just theology) and the future they come up with their own story. otherwise we'd get a Matrix Choose-your-own-adventure story.

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i think someone else said it in a different post, if the answer to the whole "neo kills the squids" thing is the "matrix within a matrix" the story will lose some of its splendor. if there is a different answer to why neo can have those powers in the actual real world, the answer would have to be more creative and complex.

I object. The Multi-Matrix universe wouldn't spoil the story at all. Keep in mind that the movie claims to reflect our 'real' world. If there is enough evidence for all to grab the idea of recursive Matrixes it would be a real fun. Think of the ending of MiB 1. Also, that doesn't mean at all to have some boring machines in control. But there may be an Architect around, letting you identify yourself. Indeed, I would be very disapointed if there would be any different turn out.

0x587e1a2c wrote:

one more thing, i don't think the machine vs. human struggle is just a way to create an interesting struggle that will entertain us while the W's wait to tell us that everything is inside a matrix. the machine vs. human struggle is the story. the matrix is a product of that struggle.

This would mean to be a boring variant of Terminator ... well, I rate Matrix of way superior ... because of the more complex world view.

0x587e1a2c wrote:

by the way, thank God the W's didn't wait to base their story on fan's theories. isn't it better that out of their own ideas about philosophy (not just theology) and the future they come up with their own story. otherwise we'd get a Matrix Choose-your-own-adventure story.

What is so bad about the ides. Eventually that is what we all are doing: Using our brains and fantasies, stimulated by others. The only reason to respect the Wacholskies more than the posters here is, because the had the genius and resources to create great movies.

Well, if Revolutions don't pass muster, I would drop it and don't give a second thought. But I remain curious, in particular because there is a high risk to get disappointed.

ok, so i guess we disagree. it's more fun that way anyway.

Just-a-Program wrote:

Well, if Revolutions don't pass muster, I would drop it and don't give a second thought. But I remain curious, in particular because there is a high risk to get disappointed.

I agree wholeheartedly with this last statement. the tension in the process of discovery is just as much fun as watching the movies themselves.

but don't get me wrong, you and i are still arch-enemies!

Ok, touché

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but don't get me wrong, you and i are still arch-enemies!

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LauraS wrote:

drnima wrote: Laura , you should definitely watch T3 . The third episode was long overdue . The story felt perfectly into place with the othe two . Sounds good to me.

Well I saw T3 and was fairly dissappointed. Not that it was a bad film (it was, overall, consistent) but there were no suprises.

Hi LauraS

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Well I saw T3 and was fairly dissappointed. Not that it was a bad film (it was, overall, consistent) but there were no suprises.

Well, I agreee to a certain extent. The jokes made good entertainment. But the message was really poor: Fate is ineviteable! There seems to be no power to change anything, just survive and follow the path. I say: rotten stuff.

As a moral agent we are in charge to fight and take responsibility. This implies the mind set to have power to change. Anything else teads to lethargy and sucks off the power to move.