»Nothing has changed for Trinity«

This post has to do with a new trailer on thematrix.com

At the beginning of the trailer "Give anything," Trinity says "Six hours ago I was ready to give anything for you.... you know what's changed? Nothing."

This leads me to believe that something has changed in her view of Neo and yet she still loves him, thus telling him that nothing has changed in regards to her devotion. So, in the 13 days left, I'm hoping we can speculate as to what has changed, before Revolutions answers this for us.

I believe that Trinity discovers one of two things

A) Neo is a program and Zion is a Matrix. Therefore, Trinity is still a slave and is in love with a virtual simulation.

B) Neo is human, but has been "programmed" by the machines to have special abbilities

Anyone else have an opinion? PLEASE POST

My thought is this - six hours ago, Trinity and Morpheus, et. al. believed Neo was "The One" and that he was going to end the war and save Zion and the human race.

After his discussion with the Architect, Neo reveals to Morpheus and Trinity that this, apparently, is untrue and that the prophecy is a sham.

When Trinity says "Six hours ago I was ready to give anything for you.... you know what's changed? Nothing." I think you should read it like this:

"Six hours ago, when I thought you were the saviour of the entire race, I was prepared to do or give anything for you. But, I still love you, even now that I realize that the prophecy of "The One" was misinterpreted, and that you aren't the saviour you were cracked up to be. So just because you doubt who or what you are doesn't mean I'm going to give up on you. I still love you, and I will give anything for you."

That's my $.02

Both HolEavataR and mjolnir make sense, but since it is in the trailer I believe, that something NEW has changed or has been discovered.

I'm not only in disagreement with the MiM theory, but I also strongly oppose it. I believe if a revelation such as this is made in Matrix: Revolutions, it will reduce the Matrix trilogy to a huge Bobby Ewing-style stunt and alienate a large percentage of the films' fan base.

That said, if Trinitiy were to discover that Zion was, in fact, a matrix within a matrix, we'd have to assume that the other key characters would know the same thing. Neo would, at least.

And in that case ..... why keep fighting? There's nothing to gain. If you fight and somehow win, you only preserve the secondary matrix, which means the human race is still enslaved.

No, I think it's more likely that Neo has another "crisis of faith" in that he finally started to believe he was "The One" in Matrix: Reloaded only to find out that "The One" is just a tool of the machine. Trinity's dialogue is meant simply to let Neo know that she still loves him, no matter whether he's "The One" or what "The One" is.

Anonymous wrote:

it will reduce the Matrix trilogy to a huge Bobby Ewing-style stunt and alienate a large percentage of the films' fan base.

Added as a Anti-MwM quote on my main site

Anonymous wrote:

And in that case ..... why keep fighting? There's nothing to gain.

Except...your life. Why do they fight agents in the matrix if they know it's fake?

They fight the agents in the Matrix because they believe they will die in "real" life if killed in the matrix. Think about it - if you were to suddenly find out that you cannot escape the Matrix, no matter what, what impetus is there to keep fighting? In other words, if there's nothing out there to fight for i.e. the survival of your species and your own personal freedom, what's left?

Or, look at it from another angle. If the heroes were to discover that they were merely avatars in a 'container matrix' what is there to gain by continuing to fight? Why do what the machines want you to do? And the machines MUST want you to fight, otherwise, they wouldn't send the sentinels, etc.

mjolnir wrote:

They fight the agents in the Matrix because they believe they will die in "real" life if killed in the matrix.

Same reason for Zion. If they die in Zion they will die somewhere else.

mjolnir wrote:

Think about it - if you were to suddenly find out that you cannot escape the Matrix

Nobody said that.

Well, it's also true that nobody said that Zion was also a sort of macro-Matrix.

If you can buy the MiM theory, why would you then accept the fact that Zion and the Matrix are the *only* levels of control? What if it was an infinite number of levels designed to keep humankind trapped in a Matrix maze?

Further, do we have any notion whatsoever of anyone having escaped the Zion-cum-Matrix? Rhetorical question, obviously. The answer, of course, is "No."

If the Zionists were to discover that Zion was, in fact, another simulation, what assurance would they have that even that was the end of it? What is left? If nothing is real anymore, what is there to fight for?

I believe it's clear the MiM theory is fatally flawed, and that if the Wachowskis choose to go this route they will have negated all the cleverness and coolness of the first two films.

But more than that, you must consider the motivations of characters that are suddenly caught within a macro-Matrix. What else is left when you find out that nothing - absolutely nothing - is real?

The answer? Nothing.

I started this post to see if anyone has an opinion regarding the trailer and would appreciate if we could suspend our beliefs regarding the MiM theory. I would like to hear what people think Trinity is referring to in her "Six hours ago" speech. Can we get back on topic? There are other places to discuss the MiM theory.

Well, okay, thanks for the reprimand, I suppose. But I think the most obvious and the most logical answer has already been provided to you:

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My thought is this - six hours ago, Trinity and Morpheus, et. al. believed Neo was "The One" and that he was going to end the war and save Zion and the human race. After his discussion with the Architect, Neo reveals to Morpheus and Trinity that this, apparently, is untrue and that the prophecy is a sham. When Trinity says "Six hours ago I was ready to give anything for you.... you know what's changed? Nothing." I think you should read it like this: "Six hours ago, when I thought you were the saviour of the entire race, I was prepared to do or give anything for you. But, I still love you, even now that I realize that the prophecy of "The One" was misinterpreted, and that you aren't the saviour you were cracked up to be. So just because you doubt who or what you are doesn't mean I'm going to give up on you. I still love you, and I will give anything for you."