»What if Neo wouldn't explode Smith in M1?«

Just like that. What if? If he wouldn't done it..then there woldn't be any cataclismic system crash risk , and it wouldn't been necesary for Neo to go to the source anymore..

Rmember that it was Neo's choice to explode him..he could have very well killed him the old fashion way..and jack out ..What posible threat would there be ,wich would force neo to go to the source ?

And in corelation , what threats were there for all the previous ones to force them to choose the right door? (judging by the fact that this time the threat was smith)

"I’m not frightened anymore" - her power/love ‘resurrecting’ Neo, the Oracles prophetic word involving the situation (esp regarding Trinity). Neo’s rather strange gaze at the gift/power he’s been given/acquired. Check the sentinels response upon seeing him (don’t forget this is the time he literally becomes the One, empowered by the Source.

So you're telling me it was fate? ( ''..couldn't have happened any other way'').
That Neo was subdued to explode Smith?

I feel like Neo in M1 roght now : " ..No ....hhhhff ...no...I don't belive it...I don't ...let me outta here! let me out! "

It's not posible..NEo is the "sum of a reminder..etc"...he represents free will , choice.

Maybe that if he had not exploded Smith, Neo would have created another threat to the system.

The important part is not that Smith in particular had to be become the anti-One, but that the anomaly would threathen the system one way or another.

Crimson wrote:

So you're telling me it was fate? ( ''..couldn't have happened any other way''). That Neo was subdued to explode Smith?

I'd say, Neo exploding Smith is an expression of him having become the One.

Not necesarly..he became the One the moment he found love .That would most likly be the expresion.
"...you got the gift ...but it seems as if you are waiting for something" . He was waiting for love.

Even if it's a bit "SLeepin Beatuy" clichee , when Trinity kissed him , that is the spark .
As much as I hate to admit , the 1st movie , as well as most of the trilogy , is based on love . Nevertheless , its about choice , etc. but this crapy human "..insipid" (smith) emotion always has to bug around every time...

Crimson wrote:

Not necesarly..he became the One the moment he found love .That would most likly be the expresion. "...you got the gift ...but it seems as if you are waiting for something". He was waiting for love. Even if it's a bit "SLeepin Beatuy" clichee , when Trinity kissed him , that is the spark.

Of what quality is this "spark"? What does it cause?

Quote:

As much as I hate to admit , the 1st movie , as well as most of the trilogy , is based on love . Nevertheless , its about choice , etc. but this crapy human "..insipid" (smith) emotion always has to bug around every time...

Rama-Kandra: You do not understand.
Neo: I just have never...
Rama-Kandra: ...heard a program speak of love?
Neo: It's a... human emotion.
Rama-Kandra: No, it is a word. What matters is the connection the word implies.

tozy wrote:

Crimson wrote: Not necesarly..he became the One the moment he found love .That would most likly be the expresion. "...you got the gift ...but it seems as if you are waiting for something". He was waiting for love. Even if it's a bit "SLeepin Beatuy" clichee , when Trinity kissed him , that is the spark. Of what quality is this "spark"? What does it cause? Quote: As much as I hate to admit , the 1st movie , as well as most of the trilogy , is based on love . Nevertheless , its about choice , etc. but this crapy human "..insipid" (smith) emotion always has to bug around every time... Rama-Kandra: You do not understand. Neo: I just have never... Rama-Kandra: ...heard a program speak of love? Neo: It's a... human emotion. Rama-Kandra: No, it is a word. What matters is the connection the word implies.

quality? it causes him to realise he is the one , through love he made the 1st step into "knowing thyslef " ; through that "conection" he can merge with his inner self etc.

(offtopic: nice avatar , briliant posts )

Thanks!

Crimson wrote:

quality? it causes him to realise he is the one , through love he made the 1st step into "knowing thyslef " ; through that "conection" he can merge with his inner self etc.

We know THAT it happened; but - what do you think - HOW did it happen? What changed in Neo at that moment?

Crimson wrote:

So you're telling me it was fate? ( ''..couldn't have happened any other way'').

Paradoxically, Yes & No

Ironically, Neo fulfils the Prophesy, even though no one "not even me" (Oracle M1) knew how.

This is the overwhelming conclusion (Inevitability) ~that the war would be over; freedom for the people of Zion (awake & waking) hailing the destruction of the Matrix – all confirmed in a multiplex of overwhelming conviction:

Just a few:

Sati: Will one day change both worlds forever

@ Morpheus: "He did the impossible. The thing you dared dream of, when so many would not, could not" (Oracle)

~and if you check the words to Neodämmerung… well there you have it!

Thunder & Lightning my friend, THUNDER & LIGHTNING!

I just woke up ...my eyes hurt ...
(cause I never used them)
What changed in him at the moment? Probably his code changed because of love...the last pice of the puzzley code of the One

Crimson wrote:

What changed in him at the moment? Probably his code changed because of love...the last pice of the puzzley code of the One

And what does the "programming" of this piece of code cause?...

Evolution.

From the moment that Neo's mind made his virtual death real ... to the moment that he transcended his virtual death and suddenly could see the programming behind the virtual reality... what did change? What makes the difference?

I..don't know exactly ..all I know is that he wasn't the one untill he experienced love , through Trinity's kiss/confesion.
As I said ..teh oracle said he was waiting for something . It was love.
Bang. end of story (through my opinion)

I thought that Neo couldn't be The One until he had died and was resureccted, Trinity loving him meant that she knew he was The One, as the Oracle said, but Neo being reborn made him The One.

I remember reading a comment of the W. Brothers on a Press folder, it sounded incrompehensible but basically, it was saying that love was the key of Neo's journey, and that at the end he's experiencing a new kind of universal love.

I guess that the message is, without Trinity's love, Neo would gone nowhere, as he says it, he need her as the world needs Neo.

You know, Apoc, a "key" is a good analogy:
A key is a means to do what?

-> To open a door.

Trinity's love (at that moment) is a means to do what?

-> To change (-> grow, as in "open") Neo's perception.


At the end of Revolutions, with his path finished, Neo "becomes" the light (spirit reality) -> what - according to the trilogy - we essentially are, but unaware of (-> starhtml.de...).

Even though we all are of ... One ... spirit reality, we perceive ourselves as separate entities (-> ego -> the many).
Neo's path as the One throughout the trilogy, is the path of opening his perception to his true being -> his/our spirit reality,.... step by step:


In the beginning of The Matrix we get to know Neo as a very solitary person. But soon he develops a bond with Trinity. This "bond" has a similar quality as the Oracle's "You have already made the choice, now you have to understand it":

"You have already made the choice...", as in:
there is a feeling sprouting in him that he cannot yet comprehend, allowing him to trust Trinity to unbug him in the car, to seek her reassurance when he is being unplugged from the Matrix (-> "You did all this?"), to act as... one ...with her to get her out of the crashing helicopter, etc. etc.

"...now you have to understand it", as in:
the connection made with the kiss. And with the connection made, Trinity does crack open the shell of Neo's separateness:

"The Oracle told me that I would fall in love, and that man, the man who I loved would be the one. And so you see, you can't be dead. You can't be, because I love you."

Trinity knows that Neo cannot be dead, and - with the connection made - Neo can feel/understand his situation from Trinity's perspective: He experiences, and thus understands, that his death is not real, but virtual.
-> This experience/understanding does open his eyes to the virtuality of the Matrix, allowing him to see the the programming behind the virtual world

-> his perception has changed.


So, what was Neo waiting for?
-> to not be told -> believe that he was the One (as was Morpheuses way), but to experience -> understand -> know that he was the One,... by means of love.

Oracle: "Being the one is just like being in love. No one can tell you your in love, you just know it. Through and through. Balls to bones."


Knowledge through experience is what being the One, and the path of the One, is all about.
Every redpill "knows" that the Matrix is a virtual world; but theirs is a theoretical knowledge. Back in the Matrix, it still appears to them as real.
Only the first-hand experience of the virtuality of the Matrix lets one perceive it as such and thus truly understand, and overcome, this delusion.

-> "...Through and through. Balls to bones", as opposed to brain only...

Precisely

But what about all the previous threats wich forced the ones to choose the right door?
This time it was Smith .And it was just a wrong step , a bad choice , because Neo just chose to break him free(unwillingly , or unknowing what this will escalate into)
But before Neo?

Smith: It's happening exactly as before.
Smith 2: Well, not exactly.

As I said, I believe that Neo exploding Smith is an expression of him "having become" the One. I don't have the time right now to explain more precicely why (it's here -> matrix-explained.com..., but I guess it needs some more background knowledge...).

Only that much: "Not exactly" could as well mean "not me, but another agent."

I took that into consideration , but maybe he was refering to something else..

Maybe...
But think of the Oracle's: "He is you. Your opposite, your negative, the result of the equation trying to balance itself out."

From my link above:

An important aspect of delusion is that the deluded is not aware of being deluded. Secretly, like the agents in M1, the forces of Maya maintain our existence within the illusion.
-> Neo being unaware of being plugged into the Matrix,... and unaware of the existence of agents.

But once Neo becomes aware of being deluded...
-> waking up from the Matrix and seeing the "real world"

...he becomes aware of the power which keeps up the delusion.
-> he comes to understand these people and suits and with glasses for what they are: agents of the system

The more Neo is lifting the veil clouding the truth behind the illusion, the more the deluding forces of Maya transcend Maya and accumulate in his ego
-> Neo's powers within the Matrix grow; Smith removes himself from the system and becomes Neo’s personal opponent.

When Neo transcends his mere awareness of being deluded by seeing through this delusion...
-> Neo becoming the One and seeing the code behind the Matrix

...the power of delusion is no longer a representation of the illusion, but becomes his personal opponent...
-> Neo unplugging Smith from the system and making him an exile.

In the end of M1, Neo destroys Smith, the agent of the system. And he creates Smith, his personal opponent, his negative.

Mmmh .."..Good point.."

I liked the link you gave Tozy, very interesting

Wich reminds me, when the Oracle said that Neo was the one who stated he was not ready to hear the truth, I think that she means it litterally : Neo is like God's consciousness (if we keep the analogy I mean) but he's unaware of it, and all the programs/persons around him are doing what he unconsciously want to be done.

Smith is probably the reflection of his hate, his ego and his frustration, the Oracle is his spiritual part, and when Neo interacts with these people, he's actually interracting with himself, just like a patient who is talking to a psychiatrist is actually talking to himself, the psychiatrist being there to allow him so see himself from the outside.

Somehow, all these battles are there to help the Matrix to reach its equilibrium.