»Trying to become unplugged....«

We live in a matrix.Yes we do so.I will explain myself.No no i don't mean that some greater power has put us in a virtual reallity so as to satisfy its own purposes,not this.
BUT
We are in a worse state...much worse...."The matrix is everywhere".Yes it is.Look around you.What do you see?
I will tell you:People.Lots of people trying to live their lives.Trying to survive.Trying to satisfy their needs....But this is the cover.All these people(including us)are totaly controlled.There are many types of control any many sources that excert it such us goverment.But the point is not that.The point is that they try (and have done it) to make us feel free.To make us fell that WE decide for our lives,WE are responsible for our decisions,WE are under no state of control and WE live as we should...It's a conspiracy,a perfectly organised conspiracy that can hold us under a control that we don't even can imagine that exists.An illusion that give us the impression that 'everything is ok' while is not.It's like the matrix.We are not free.But we are told that we are.And is vey difficult to be unplugged....
What is my conclusion?Free your minds.Try to relish yourselves from the meanings of right or wrong.Black or White.Change your stance.See behind the curtain.Understand the 'WHY' not the 'WHAT'(The purpose not the fact)Become unplugged....

welcome to this forum, i think that when it comes to the matrix, it can be taken in many ways, (trust me i know) but ALL OF US can agree on this

Agree but we don't do anything to improve it.We stay plugged....

the only thing we can do is unplug ourselves individually and meet up after the fact

GL

You think it's funny?It's more serious than you can imagine....

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It's more serious than you can imagine....

Explain.

Nope,try to understand

Requiem_Yuri wrote:

We are in a worse state...much worse...."The matrix is everywhere".Yes it is.Look around you.What do you see? I will tell you:People.Lots of people trying to live their lives.Trying to survive.Trying to satisfy their needs....But this is the cover.All these people(including us)are totaly controlled.There are many types of control any many sources that excert it such us goverment.But the point is not that.The point is that they try (and have done it) to make us feel free.To make us fell that WE decide for our lives,WE are responsible for our decisions,WE are under no state of control and WE live as we should...It's a conspiracy,a perfectly organised conspiracy that can hold us under a control that we don't even can imagine that exists.An illusion that give us the impression that 'everything is ok' while is not.It's like the matrix.We are not free.But we are told that we are.And is vey difficult to be unplugged.... What is my conclusion?Free your minds.Try to relish yourselves from the meanings of right or wrong.Black or White.Change your stance.See behind the curtain.Understand the 'WHY' not the 'WHAT'(The purpose not the fact)Become unplugged...

What I understand, is that there's a whole lot more to it. Not that anything you said is "wrong", but that it barely scratches the surface. So what do you propose?

So do you R_Y believe that the Matrix is real and not just a Trilogy of movies and we are slaves to the Machines OR that there is something deeper in the world and in a way we are slaves?

Requiem_Yuri wrote:

Nope,try to understand

Please R_Y, this cryptic Bullsh*t never gets any of us anywhere. I know more than most how hard it is to explain things you know, and how it's almost impossible to explain things you THINK. But Tsukasa could tell you, sometimes you just have to swallow your fear and rely on the anonymousness of the internet AND JUST SAY WHAT YOU ARE THINKING. In plain english. Gina Rink and others just drop vague hint after vague hint and we have gotten nowhere in the 2 months following her OP. So suck it up and come clean, and don't worry about what the BluePills that post on here say. Let them be sheep, it's your fellow redpills like me and Tsu and a few others that want to here your plans for unplugging. Just like we'd tell you in we found a way.

Nothing more I can say now.

Kozar

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Kozar wrote:

Gina Rink and others just drop vague hint after vague hint and we have gotten nowhere in the 2 months following her OP.

Really? I thought that you like the way that things go at that thread. Why?

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Kozar wrote:

I like where the discussions have been going. Gina is starting to let a little more info go, and that is helping me ALOT, thx Gina. Now back to my search for truth.

#2

Kozar wrote:

First of all I am not one to tell any of my conclusions of what I see in the movies because 1- All of my theories are ever changing and evolving, and 2- I mimic the Oracle in her methods of hinting to Neo so he can find his own answers.

intell replied:

intell wrote:

There are 3 other posters that follow a similar pattern. Inevitability, Rainking, and well, me.

So, I can see why intell likes the whole 7/7 thread. But I'm confused about you.

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th3 p4th wrote:

Kozar wrote: Gina Rink and others just drop vague hint after vague hint and we have gotten nowhere in the 2 months following her OP. Really? I thought that you like the way that things go at that thread. Why?

I am personally doing reasonable when it comes to figuring out what Gina is saying in the 7/7 thread. But I am 1 (plus VERY few others) that [am] following the path of that thread. But in THIS post I used the word "we" as in "we have gotten nowhere". I don't come here to further my evolution solely, I also come here to share things that I have learned in hopes of freeing other minds. So when I say "we" I mean the community as a whole. Think p4th, of how many people got tired and quit posting on that thread due to the so far removed methods of obtaining information on that thread. You gotta think Matrix p4th. Neo himself wasn't the smartest guy in the world. Almost 90% of his dialogue was questions, right? Sometimes information withheld is enlightenment lost.

Especially in this thread when it applies more to individuals then the entire world like 7/7 does.

Understand?

Kozar wrote:

I like where the discussions have been going. Gina is starting to let a little more info go, and that is helping me ALOT, thx Gina. Now back to my search for truth.

Yes, EXACTLY. This is where I began to think you understood what I was talking about p4th. "Gina is starting to let a little more info go, and that is helping me ALOT"

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#2 Kozar wrote: First of all I am not one to tell any of my conclusions of what I see in the movies because 1- All of my theories are ever changing and evolving, and 2- I mimic the Oracle in her methods of hinting to Neo so he can find his own answers. intell replied: intell wrote: There are 3 other posters that follow a similar pattern. Inevitability, Rainking, and well, me. So, I can see why intell likes the whole 7/7 thread. But I'm confused about you.

I am trying to tell R_Y, that between posting on 7/7 until now I have encountered a thread by Tsukasa about his personal pursuit of unplugging. And instead of talking cryptically, he came clean and spoke his mind. And since this thread is of similar topic then I was telling R_Y to do the same. And if you notice those 2 threads involve removal from our "Matrix" and 7/7 is centered around being about change inside the Matrix.

Yep, I got your points. I thought that you were saying that you got tired of the 7/7 thread, etc.

BUT I wasn't sure and used the fictional [OFF TOPIC] tag

Let's see how R_Y responds to both of us.

Hey, as I was submitting that last post I thought of something back on topic.

Everyone wants to think Matrix, right? Most of us can recognize the "world pulled over our eyes" in one way or another. Whether it be the fact that we are blinded from truth of 9-11, or perhaps it be that there is poverty and other societal problems that we overlook because our SUV is so high off the ground that we can't see our fellow human beings. Or maybe it's the literal "world pull over our third eye", the fact that our brains process billions of pieces of information a second and we can only perceive 2,000. But then again, what THOUSANDS of other lies have we bought about the purpose of human life is that have shaped the way we live our lives (Think V). I see V as the W's way of telling their Matrix fans that the people in V were living in the Matrix too, they just called it their "everyday lives". Which is exactly what we are living in here today ourselves.

But the point I am trying to make is that everything I have previously said on this post is what I call "A Matrix". Everything collectively in that above paragraph that comprises the world we all live in is what I mean when I say "A Matrix". So now I will apply my interpretation of "A Matrix" to The Matrix.

If we look at the world as "A Matrix" and also The Matrix then we assume that there is a way to unplug (literally, like Tsukasa, R_Y, myself, and I'm sure many others believe). But for those who believe the world we all coexist in is "real" (if there is such a thing), then the only thing we can do in "A Matrix" to free ourselves is to bring about change in "A Matrix". Now if there is no way to get out, then there is no saviour that will come from outside of us and save us. In short, there will be no "One" who will free us. Disregarding religous views of course.

So here is where the synergy comes in. If 7/7 is leading us to our future, then that tells us that change will come from us. By "us" I mean the people willing to fight for change. And since we all know that change, when it comes to humans, works from the inside out, then we have to ALL become "The One". Collectively! Just like Tsukasa is saying in his "forget that Neo crap" thread.

We have to all collectively assist each other on our collective evolution in order to achieve a greater level of understanding and awareness in our lives. Only then will we be able to spread the wisdom of human oneness to all current non-believers/future believers. It is the bluepills in this world that make up 99% of the human population. It is these people that are perpetuating the system, and literally creating it. Notice how in Vendetta, V didn't kill every member of the government and collapse the system, he only needed to find a way to unite the millions of people to believe what he believed to bring about the change necessary for freedom from "A Matrix"

Kozar

th3 p4th wrote:

So do you R_Y believe that the Matrix is real and not just a Trilogy of movies and we are slaves to the Machines OR that there is something deeper in the world and in a way we are slaves?

Could you please Kozar answer the same question that I asked R_Y?

EDIT

And ..please.. it's 'th3 p4th'. Don't call me 'p4th'. It's like 'the one', you don't say only 'one'.

th3 p4th wrote:

Kozar wrote: First of all I am not one to tell any of my conclusions of what I see in the movies because 1- All of my theories are ever changing and evolving, and 2- I mimic the Oracle in her methods of hinting to Neo so he can find his own answers. to which, intell wrote: There are 3 other posters that follow a similar pattern. Inevitability, Rainking, and well, me. So, I can see why intell likes the whole 7/7 thread. But I'm confused about you.

Th3 P4th, you're a dangerous man. That was so long ago, I almost forgot who I said that to. (Okay, I did forget, so thanks for reminding me.)

I'll just say, that for most of us and for the major portion of our lives, we've had teachers to tell us what is what. Then we had to accept it without necessarily knowing how they reached their conclusions. We've endured this method of "learning" so long that we have come to accept it as the way things should be taught and learned. So when a "teacher" comes along and just gives you a few facts and tells you to do the research it takes to arrive at a sound conclusion we think of this as the "backward" way to learn and say "you're being too cryptic", "this is bs", and so forth.

So, when the Wachowski's make a movie that obviously has meaning and message and don't tell the story in a way that spoon-feeds the "consumer", it loses most of them (99%?), including many critics. That's what makes the commentary with the three critics so important - it shows that so called "experts" are not really experts. Then Gina Rink makes a thread that does the same thing and more turn away.

The reason I'm, trying to get re-acquainted with this style, is because it is more consistent with nature. Coconuts don't come with instructions on how (or whether) to eat them. Energy sources don't come with instructions on how to best to use them. Things are learned until they are found to be crap and then they are unlearned, and it becomes time to learn something else.

So I didn't mind when I was told to "try to understand" I found nothing wrong with doing just that - looking at it again from another angle. It's not the information itself but how you come about it that is "enlightening".

For instance, someone tells you "I know how to play chess, I read it in a book". Someone else tells you "I know how to play chess, I played against Garry Kasparov and he forced me to think 10 moves ahead." It's different isn't it?

Very insightful Intell. I am now coming to appreciate more of what is being told to me, not because of who it came from, rather because of how I interpreted it as being.

As for how we are taught since first entering elementary school,
I'll quote Rage Against The Machine "Know Your Enemy":

"Yes I know my enemies
They're the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite,
All of which are American Dreams."

So I suppose I'll ask R_Y too for you th3 p4th.

Hey Requiem_Yuri, do you believe more of how I refer to as "A Matrix" being our world, or do you side with the world shown in the movie The Matrix as the truth?

Kozar, i agree that being cryptic can be bad, but also remember that the red pills in the "movie" need to be cryptic because the machines take everything as they hear it, and it kept the red pills safe...so take a look through my eyes here... if R_Y shouts to the world he knows how to get out and where, the agents will fucking lockdown the place...R_Y too cryptic ... Kozar Not Cryptic Enough?

You know, Kozar, synergies don't happen on their own.

intell wrote:

Th3 P4th, you're a dangerous man. That was so long ago, I almost forgot who I said that to. (Okay, I did forget, so thanks for reminding me.) I'll just say, that for most of us and for the major portion of our lives, we've had teachers to tell us what is what. Then we had to accept it without necessarily knowing how they reached their conclusions. We've endured this method of "learning" so long that we have come to accept it as the way things should be taught and learned. So when a "teacher" comes along and just gives you a few facts and tells you to do the research it takes to arrive at a sound conclusion we think of this as the "backward" way to learn and say "you're being too cryptic", "this is bs", and so forth. So, when the Wachowski's make a movie that obviously has meaning and message and don't tell the story in a way that spoon-feeds the "consumer", it loses most of them (99%?), including many critics. That's what makes the commentary with the three critics so important - it shows that so called "experts" are not really experts. Then Gina Rink makes a thread that does the same thing and more turn away. The reason I'm, trying to get re-acquainted with this style, is because it is more consistent with nature. Coconuts don't come with instructions on how (or whether) to eat them. Energy sources don't come with instructions on how to best to use them. Things are learned until they are found to be crap and then they are unlearned, and it becomes time to learn something else. So I didn't mind when I was told to "try to understand" I found nothing wrong with doing just that - looking at it again from another angle. It's not the information itself but how you come about it that is "enlightening". For instance, someone tells you "I know how to play chess, I read it in a book". Someone else tells you "I know how to play chess, I played against Garry Kasparov and he forced me to think 10 moves ahead." It's different isn't it?

What a tactful way of saying, "Use Your Brain".

Point taken gentlemen and ladies.

However, to make a post regarding a situation or topic that ONLY asks a question that YOU supposedly know the answer to, and never even cryptically give any kind of hint towards an answer, that is what I have issues with.

Not to say that I have seen any of those... even Gina's 7/7 OP gave ideas and riddles.

But I feel someday, if we don't start being a tiny bit more helpful for one another, then soon all of our posts may become redundant and circular thinking may ensue.

Gina Rink wrote:

You know, Kozar, synergies don't happen on their own.

Yes, I realize that. I was merely pointing out that I only recently have recognized the necessity for change. How to bring about that change I am not yet sure. So I look here, and inside myself for those paths. As Counciler Hamann would say, "I have absolutely no idea how it works, but I do understand the reason for it to work."

Hehe, I always like to speak my thoughts and relate them to quotes and situations from Wachowski films... I think it helps remind us that we are Red.

Gina Rink wrote:

What a tactful way of saying, "Use Your Brain".

I must confess he is good at that.

Kozar wrote:

But I feel someday, if we don't start being a tiny bit more helpful for one another, then soon all of our posts may become redundant and circular thinking may ensue.

Hopefully the commentary thread will help with that. I just got the cleaned up Reloaded script back to th3 p4th, so we should get it going soon.

All you need to solve a coconut is a coconut (and a blunt instrument). But to play chess, you have to know the rules.

If you read a book, you can learn the rules, or Garry Kasparov can teach them to you. But if you don't already know the basics, you'll have a hard time playing ten moves ahead.

Also, if somebody claiming to know all of Gary Kasparov's strategies tries to teach you, but insists that a knight can move directly forward... If you already know the basic rules from a simple beginner's book or anywhere, you know no matter how advanced this suppossed Kasparov follower is, no matter what great Eastern sect they've studied under (suppossedly playing chess under waterfalls and atop bamboo poles for hours) the game they are playing is not quite chess.

Just a little noodle baking there

Bravo Kozar! **applauding wildly**

When someone tells you to "go figure it out yourself" (OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF SIMILAR STATEMENT) then all they have really done is invalidated whatever post they just made.

Kozar encapsulated the problem precisely.

The forum is already teetering on the brink of said "redundancy" now thanks to such psychobabble. The point of posting is that you are bringing some sort of unique insight to the forum. If there is no clear explaination of what you mean then your post is redundant. That does not help "progress".

It is okay for the Brothers to be cryptic. But for individuals who claim to be bringing a further analysis of the trilogy to be cryptic is only destructive. These individuals only do it to aggrandize themselves. We're all supposed to be so impressed at their "spiritual insight". And in the process they only marginalize themselves. It's okay if only one or two people can't understand what you've said. It is a problem when no one who read what you said can understand your point. At that time the question becomes "Did you really have a point, or did you just want to see your words in print?"

If you have a point (a real point) then you will have no problem explaining why you believe what you believe. If it was important enough for you to make the post then it's worth clarifying (if you can). If it's not necessary to have a clear, concise point then all topics should simply be locked topics with no one able to respond directly to them.

I've tried to follow that rule. Otherwise there was no reason to post at all.