»Can a program be The One?«

i think it has been asked before.i searched for this but couldn't find it(there is so much on this fourm that it's really hard to get the exact thread... )
Well,that's my question!can a program be the one.if yes how?& if no why?

I've written about this a ton. Unfortunately I think some of my key posts on it were deleted awhile back (I went through a little self-deletion phase on the forum and some of my stuff got lost).

But I definitely think a program can be the One. In fact, I think that's exactly what is happening with Smith. It comes from the fundamental flaw being systemic. If people must be allowed choice, so must machines. While less prevalent, it is also nearly inevitable that eventually one machine would exercise that choice to the nth degree, there-by becoming an integral anomaly of his/her own.

No a program cannot be the one.

The ONE is titled the one simply because he is the chosen one, In other words he is gifted.. Just as The Oracle states.

The one is a chosen man, Chosen from billions of other people..

The oracle even says that neo has a good soul.
Which I will conclude that one of the ones attributes is being a good person...

The oracle says that neo is not too bright, Which suggests that the man born inside wasnt too bright also..
It is a tradition in hero tales that the hero of the quest is usually handsome and a bit slow witted. This I say is repeated through mythology and other sources..

So your answer is right here if you have your wits about you.

The answer is simple to your questions..
The truth is that the answers have been complicated by the more recent movies..
Dive into the mind altering first movie before you move to the others, And you will see that the answers are hidden. But they exist..

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

It is a tradition in hero tales that the hero of the quest is usually handsome and a bit slow witted.

But it is also a tradition in hero tales that the hero be someone who is steeped in the wrong side. This is less popular latetly, but Campbell himself did discuss it. There is a tradition of heroes who are soldiers in one cause that then come to see the complete error of their cause and fight back against it harder than they ever fought for it.

And we've seen that machines are fully capable of exercising choice. So we know that they can do it.

Capt, I can see how you would say that with Smith doing what he did.

But I think the major function of the one must be completed by a human. Beside the obvious powers in the matrix, the One is also a symbol of hope for Zion, thus a form of control facilitating the encouragement to complete the One's 'mission'. And that mission is the control.

But I guess this time Smith was the antiNeo and thus was somewhat of a 'One'.

Final Answer: THE One in a Matrix version must be human to have the control factor in Zion.

Thoughts?

I agree Aquin...

The one is a real man to give hope to real people..

If the people are not real then how do the machines get their power..

I must say that I honestly dont know how The ones soul is processed.. I mean how could anybody know.. You would have to have intimate knowledge that only Artificial intelligence could understand.. This is reflected in what morpheus says when he tells neo that the machines use SOME KIND OF FUSION.. Even the resistence dont know how everything works... So in all honesty... HOW COULD WE?


My personal theory on how the Man born inside got tranferred back into the system is....

He got killed by a sentinal at the same time that he killed it.. Thus tranferring his soul and code back into the matrix infastructure....

Dont ask me how it could happen. But I believe that there would be a link between the sentinels and the matrix..
This echoes in the statement by the Agents that they are launching a strike with the sentinels..

I'm still stuck under this idea that the anomaly is choice, not the choice of Zion. But since I've shifted over to the idea that the anomaly is the choice of Zion, then the One could not be a machine.

However, I do believe a machine could become a systemic anomaly of his/her own. And that is what Smith is. A program who has begun to exercise choice to the nth degree.

In my opinion A machine would never turn against its own kind...
A machine world would work like clockwork, And so the matrix works like clockwork..

Smith seems to think that law and order is the key to survival.

Mankind never had the understanding of each other as the machines do of themselves..

A world working in complete unison and monotaney..

Neo is a threat to this order. So smith tries to destroy him...

You will find that smith is too loyal to attack his own kinds world.. That is why he wants to destroy Zion so much...

Smith gets angry in m1 simply because he is loyal to the machines

thankx a lot guys!

CaptPostMod wrote:

I'm still stuck under this idea that the anomaly is choice, not the choice of Zion. But since I've shifted over to the idea that the anomaly is the choice of Zion, then the One could not be a machine.

Hm,... it is my understanding that the anomaly is the ground of evolution, an aspect within a system that has not been intended as such by the system. An anomaly forces the system to grow by integrating it.
In Neo's (and his predecessors') case the anomaly is imo not mere choice - since choice within the bondaries of the system is possible - but the choice not to accept the virtual world of the Matrix as real.

Since, past Neo, the choice not to accept the Matrix as real has been integrated into the system, I guess the next anomaly will be the expression of another, a new aspect, not yet included into the functioning of the system.

Capt wrote:

However, I do believe a machine could become a systemic anomaly of his/her own. And that is what Smith is. A program who has begun to exercise choice to the nth degree.

I believe that this...

Good work tozy.. I know that you are a thinker.

But what you have to figure out is why did the whole matrix situation happen...

Is it because?

1. The machines grew tired of their human masters{ Likely}
2. The machines wanted much more{ very likely}
3. The machines didnt do as they were told{ likely}
4. Man turned on machine{ not likely}

It is my personal idea that the machines would have wanted to be much more. It is Ai's purpose to better itself.. And the only way it would of bettered itself would have been to destroy and use anything it could find...

What m2 shows with smith is what would have happened if man did not scorch the sky..

The machines would have become somewhat similar to the BORG of star trek..

RESISTENCE IS FUTILE....

What the machines might have had planned would be universal dominance. To achieve total perfection..To maybe obtain the key to the universes powers....

But maybe just maybe.... This just popped into my mind...

Perhaps the machines have already conquered everything. and they are keeping man still plugged into the matrix...
This could explain why neo has his powers in the real world..
This would seem to mean that the machines are GOD..
But man made machine... sooo?

But I find that very hard to believe

The question of the movie is not if a program can be the One but rather "what is really a program?".

Because you clearly see Bane becoming a Smith-program and Rama falling in love like a human.

So, a program is made of informations and instructions, just like our brain, the only thing that changes is the support. The rest are only words, what matters is the meaning of these words.

So I believe that a program can be the One, but he'll naturally be against the system because that's the kind of mentality you need to be gifted.

What do you think ?

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Because you clearly see Bane becoming a Smith-program and Rama falling in love like a human. So, a program is made of informations and instructions, just like our brain, the only thing that changes is the support. The rest are only words, what matters is the meaning of these words. So I believe that a program can be the One.

Yeah,but they understood the meaning of the words because that is how they were 'programed'.They were A.I.
They learn from the past and prsent sarroundings.What would be intresting is,give a group machines artifical brain(i.e., A.I) and keep them in a room.Away from the outside world.Would they still understand or develop feelings such as love and hate etc..?
Because the brain that they have is artificial.

Well,if a program can be the One,then do you think a human can be Anti-One(like Smith)? hummm?

The One is a program.
Thomas is not.

Gina Rink wrote:

The One is a program. Thomas is not.

Then who or what is Neo?
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If your answer is 'a program' then I would like to know why you think like that.

14515 wrote:

Gina Rink wrote: The One is a program. Thomas is not. Then who or what is Neo? EDIT: If your answer is 'a program' then I would like to know why you think like that.

Programs are system directives. Neo is a system directive.

14515 wrote:

What would be intresting is,give a group machines artifical brain(i.e., A.I) and keep them in a room.Away from the outside world.Would they still understand or develop feelings such as love and hate etc..?

If you kept living beings inside a room, I doubt they would ever develop to any point . We have developed ours feelings after a very long process of trying/errors during our evolution.
If you put these A.I. in a natural environment with enough intelligence to adapt and survive, then they'll probably develop a program close to love.

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Well,if a program can be the One,then do you think a human can be Anti-One(like Smith)? hummm?

Yes, some kind of crazy sect Guru, maybe.

Gina wrote:

The One is a program. Thomas is not.

And Neo is the fusion of both.
Yep I agree, the One was born at the source wich means he's a program. The Architect talks to Neo as a person but as soon as he talks about the One, he says "the function of the One etc.".

There are many hints here and there, like for example the fact that the One must return to the source just like any program (Neo was not supposed to return physically to the source, but this last cycle of reloading was different).

Understood

Thank you both and everyone..

apocryphe wrote:

If you kept living beings inside a room, I doubt they would ever develop to any point . We have developed ours feelings after a very long process of trying/errors during our evolution. If you put these A.I. in a natural environment with enough intelligence to adapt and survive, then they'll probably develop a program close to love.

Some would say that "natural environment" is nothing but a bigger room.

There is still oh so much to learn.

Apocryphe wrote:

Gina wrote: The One is a program. Thomas is not. And Neo is the fusion of both. Yep I agree, the One was born at the source wich means he's a program. The Architect talks to Neo as a person but as soon as he talks about the One, he says "the function of the One etc.".

The disparity exists because Thomas is a he and Neo/the One is an it.

And I would add that Thomas's life is the anomalous code since Archie says "the sum of your life etc."

Note how Archie says that the One must reinsert the code. Translation : the program One must reinsert the code stored in Thomas' brain, but it can be done only if Neo accepts it.

intell wrote:

Some would say that "natural environment" is nothing but a bigger room.

Gina Rink wrote:

Apocryphe wrote: Gina wrote: The One is a program. Thomas is not. And Neo is the fusion of both. Yep I agree, the One was born at the source wich means he's a program. The Architect talks to Neo as a person but as soon as he talks about the One, he says "the function of the One etc.". The disparity exists because Thomas is a he and Neo/the One is an it.

I thought Neo was also a he but NEO is an it.

intell wrote:

Gina Rink wrote: Apocryphe wrote: Gina wrote: The One is a program. Thomas is not. And Neo is the fusion of both. Yep I agree, the One was born at the source wich means he's a program. The Architect talks to Neo as a person but as soon as he talks about the One, he says "the function of the One etc.". The disparity exists because Thomas is a he and Neo/the One is an it. I thought Neo was also a he but NEO is an it.

NEO/Neo/One all point to the same thing. NEO is more...uh...modern.

I thought programs are he and she in the Matrix...