»how was the first ONE freed?«

hi guys,
how was the first ONE freed or how was the first human freed from the matrix in version 1(or to be more precise in version 3.1)
any thoughts about this?
thankx

The films and additions are largely silent in regards to the first One. The only person that really discusses him/her is Morpheus (and we know Morpheus is mostly in the dark about the true history).

Here's what Morpheus said-

Morpheus: .... When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was he who freed the first of us, taught us the truth. As long as the Matrix exists the human race will never be free. After he died the Oracle prophesied his return and that his coming would hail the destruction of the Matrix and the war, bring freedom to our people. That is why there are those of us who have spent our entire lives searching the Matrix looking for him. I did what I did because I believe that search is over....

This seems like it is fairly inaccurate though, because of certain other things we know.

First, we know that Zion was built by the machines (tozy provided us with an interview segment that confirms this). So, the original One did not build Zion, however, he/she may have led people to it. We know that it existed in every version with a One because it is destroyed after every One has emmerged. But how can you lead people to it if it is a brand new place recently designed at the Oracle's behest? How could you unless you were in league with the machines from the beginning?

We also know that the first One entered the Architect's chamber and participated in the dissemenation of the code he/she carried. So that suggests that at some point either before or after he/she became the One, he/she gave into the machination of the machines.

Additionally, we know that the One wasn't meant to end anything. When the One returns the war does not end, the war in fact has gone cold centuries before...

So we are left knowing very little about the first One, other than that the current picture being painted of him/her is not a flattering one.

Ok I agree with you on one thing there, And it is a good point that you brought up..

The first one would have been in league with the machines at the beginning.. But the fact is, Is that he obviously was not in league with the machines. Because why would he fight the machines in the first place..

I have a little fact for you to think over..

Ok the architect says that the anomaly effects even the smallest eqaution.. But..

Why would neo need to believe in order to affect the matrix..
The fact is is that neo has complete control over what he is doing. He doesnt affect every single thing.. He chooses what he does.. The same way that the first one changed things... They both had a choice..

You will find that neo would have known if he affected smith.. Because neo knows everything at the end of m1.. He feels the machines. and knows what they know...
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE MACHINES ARE SCARED AT THIS POINT?

It is because humanity is about to WAKE UP.
And ROCK is about to die..

Notice how neo says that I am not telling you how it will END.
He is telling them how it will begin...A world without you....
When neo says that It is a choice I leave to you{ He is being sarcastic}


They are neos last words of the war.. And the humans have the final say

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

The first one would have been in league with the machines at the beginning.. But the fact is, Is that he obviously was not in league with the machines. Because why would he fight the machines in the first place.

The Architect saying "test subjects" though suggests that Zion was built even before being an actual real alternative to the Matrix. There would have had to be someone to lead the test subjects there. It could easily have been the Oracle herself, but the statement indicates that at no point in the existence of Zion was it ever out of the control of the machines.

If the integral anomalies are the human manifestation of the choice of Zion with-in the Matrix, then they were never out of the control of the machines at any point either. That doesn't necessarily mean they know who is controlling them, nor does it preclude them engaging in a fight with the machines.

Why do the Agent's chase red pills if the choice of Zion is allowed? Because the ruse of war is necessary to enact the desires of the powerful.

In M1 Smith says in the Office
"Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost."


If entire crops were lost (which means everybody was dead) then how did version 2 come?

I think they always kept some 'free' human stock in Zion or some where else.

sorry for the double post but i just had a thought that may be the Archi. didn't try it on everyone at the same time.he might have tried it only on some people first.
p.s:but how did Smith come to know about version 1 & 2.. it was way before his time..

14515 wrote:

p.s:but how did Smith come to know about version 1 & 2.. it was way before his time..

It seems Smith may well know about all the versions. In Reloaded he says-- "It's happening exactly as before. Well, not exactly." Many people have taken this to mean that Smith knows what has happened before (The One's rising to power and Zion being destroyed).

There's a good amount about Smith and what he knows on this thread-- matrix-explained.com...

Yes i agree with you.Smith might have been present as an agent in the previous versions of the matrix(i.e., version 3.0) and got fed up of it's never ending process.reload->chasing red pills->reload->chasing red pills.... & finally decided that he has to get out of the matrix.

But my question is how did he know about the version in which he was not present?
Surely in the 1st & 2nd version no agents were required,because the 1st one was perfect where none suffered & in the 2nd one was a bit improved version of that.(or may be i am complety wrong! )

14515 wrote:

Surely in the 1st & 2nd version no agents were required,because the 1st one was perfect where none suffered & in the 2nd one was a bit improved version of that.(or may be i am complety wrong! )

There were, in fact, Agents in the paradise Matrix. They were in the form of Angels, but they were there. This has been confirmed and played a role in the online MxO.

Check out this thread--
matrix-explained.com...

And this picture--

thankx man

after the anomaly had gone to the source he has to select 23 people inorder to rebuild zion.

i think in the 1st version these 23 people were selected by the oracle or architect themselves(most likely oracle).and after that it's the usual story again.

there is another question i want to ask.does The One go to zion after selecting 23 people?

14515 wrote:

Does The One go to zion after selecting 23 people?

No official answer has been reached. My take is that the One does not return to Zion as returning to the Source is an end game event. There are those of us who feel that Neo returns to the Source in his own way at the end of Revolutions and what happens to him then is what happens to all Ones. They are dispersed throughout the Matrix and reboot things...

But there is a large group on the other side who say that the Ones do normally return to Zion. Their feeling is that it is necessary for the One to be in Zion to help free his 23 and rebuild. I'll see if I can find a thread with both sides and link it to this post at some point.

So the long short answer is, "No one knows."

What do you think?

here too i agree with u.

because by the time The One reaches the source,squiddies r everywhere.even though The One is alive after dessimation of his code there is no way he can escape the machines(nor his ship).

& what do u think about the oracle selecting 23 people when the matrix,as we know,was created?

14515 wrote:

If entire crops were lost (which means everybody was dead) then how did version 2 come?

Entire Crops doesn't mean everyone connected. We can assume that while connected, humans are 'herded' into groups, and following the problems, so many humans died that entire groups died. It doesn't mean absolutely everyone. Think like crops of corn getting destroyed by bad weather.

14515 wrote:

What do u think about the oracle selecting 23 people when the matrix,as we know,was created?

That sounds very plausible. We know so little about that time that it's hard to speculate, but it would not be a shocking revelation if it turned out that the Oracle had selected the original 23 to build Zion. It also wouldn't shock me if the original 23 weren't rebels at all. What if they were machine sympathizers?

14515 wrote:

In M1 Smith says in the Office "Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost." If entire crops were lost (which means everybody was dead) then how did version 2 come? I think they always kept some 'free' human stock in Zion or some where else.

I think it means entire crops were lost. If you look at it from a farming view they would have people at different stages of Groth ie babies infants teenagers and adults would be a crop

AzarN wrote:

14515 wrote: If entire crops were lost (which means everybody was dead) then how did version 2 come? Entire Crops doesn't mean everyone connected. We can assume that while connected, humans are 'herded' into groups, and following the problems, so many humans died that entire groups died. It doesn't mean absolutely everyone. Think like crops of corn getting destroyed by bad weather.

well..that is exactly what i ment when i said

14515 wrote:

.... but i just had a thought that may be the Archi. didn't try it on everyone at the same time.he might have tried it only on some people first.

anyway thank u guys!

Everybody assumes that the first One got out of the Matrix. But Morpheus said that the One died inside the Matrix.

It is not necessary to get out, you can remain inside et develop your powers just like the orphans did.

I think that usually, the One does not get out, but as we know, the Oracle had special plans for Neo.

The Animatrix world record shows us how that a man is developping his control over the Matrix, but he's not going out, and no matter what, the machines can't break his power.
And if they kill him, the next guy to get the power will be even more powerfull.

He freed himself.

The bad weather point is a good one...

Since the matrix code is like rain, It is the thing which is keeping man alive.. Like crops which need rain..
But that point of view is obviously coming from a machine itself.. The real fact is is that man didnt need the matrix.
And since the machines fought man in the real world in the beginning.. They had already lost their prime directive which was to serve mans every wish

About smith's speech..

Notice that when smith says SOME BELIEVED..
Smith was having a go at morpheus. Notice the tone of voice that smith used when he said BELIEVED...

Remember that trinity was overheard saying in the beginning that morpheus BELIEVES that he is the one....

Smith knows that morpheus believes in something.. Wether it is the prophecy or it is neo..
Smith says that some believed that we lacked the programing ability to describe your perfect world....

So what it seems like is that smith is saying what the architect said... BUT...

WHY IS SMITH TRYING TO GET THE ACCESS CODES IN MORPHEUS'S MIND?

The fact is...

Most things that smith says to morpheus are riddled with lies.

Remember...The first speech of smiths is making out that the machines are doing good by man..
But when smith starts talking frankly he becomes aggressive and almost rips morpheus's head off...

This shows that the machines indeed hate humans with a passion...

Ask yourself this..

Do you think that machines who hate man and take over the world would make a perfect prison?

Remember smith tortures morpheus to try and get into zion.

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I think that usually, the One does not get out, but as we know, the Oracle had special plans for Neo.

if that's true then can't the agents just go inside the one(like what they did to the detective inthe animatrix) and kill him?

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WHY IS SMITH TRYING TO GET THE ACCESS CODES IN MORPHEUS'S MIND?

i don't know the correct answer but what do u think about this?

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Smith got fed up of it's never ending process.reload->chasing red pills->reload->chasing red pills.... & finally decided that he has to get out of the matrix.

Apocryphe wrote:

Everybody assumes that the first One got out of the Matrix. But Morpheus said that the One died inside the Matrix. It is not necessary to get out, you can remain inside et develop your powers just like the orphans did. I think that usually, the One does not get out, but as we know, the Oracle had special plans for Neo. The Animatrix world record shows us how that a man is developping his control over the Matrix, but he's not going out, and no matter what, the machines can't break his power. And if they kill him, the next guy to get the power will be even more powerfull.

Hmm. I thought that was interesting, so I went to the script. Morph says that the One died. Didn't say he died inside the Matrix. Just says, "When he died, the Oracle prophesied his return...".

I think the One did escape the Matrix. Each of them did. How else would they lead Zion; at least in the begining of each cycle.

Also, it shouldn't be a suprise that Smith would know about the previous versions of the matrix. If other programs know the truth about the Matrix (i.e. Perseph, Merv, etc.) then Smith and the other Agents would know. They are programs, they have a purpose within the cycle. Its just that for some reason, Smith went rogue against his purpose.

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if that's true then can't the agents just go inside the one(like what they did to the detective inthe animatrix) and kill him?

Obviously, the 1% of people who refuse the Matrix cannot be embodied by Agents.
If they could, they would have appeared in front of Morpheus when he met Neo the first time. Instead, they needed to bug him.

Mainwhile, during the fight in the subway, a homless is taken over by Smith simply because he saw Morhpeus disapearing. While could they not do the same when Neo met Morpheus ?

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Sorry, my bad, Morpheus does not say he died in the Matrix but he says :

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When the Matrix was first built there was a man born inside that had the ability to change what he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was this man that freed the first of us and taught us the secret of the war; control the Matrix and you control the future.

He never says that he freed himself, but that he freed the others. The first One probably said that he threathened the system of destruction if they didn't help them to get out.

Why would the One get out to the real world, where he is powerless ?

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Obviously, the 1% of people who refuse the Matrix cannot be embodied by Agents.

Did you forget Detective's Story?

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If they could, they would have appeared in front of Morpheus when he met Neo the first time. Instead, they needed to bug him.

They intended to do just that, that's why Switch pulled the gun on Neo. Protection from what, "from you." I believe the bug was to trace him wherever he goes and notify them when Thomas strays from his daily routine. Keep in mind that they want Morpheus at this point.

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Mainwhile, during the fight in the subway, a homless is taken over by Smith simply because he saw Morhpeus disapearing. While could they not do the same when Neo met Morpheus ?

Neo had already taken the red pill when he started seeing those type of things. His "software" had already started to unplug from their system, thus they could not access it any longer.

How was the first one freed?
I don't know if anyone remembers that Larry and Andy were talking about releasing some more Animatrix episodes, one of which, was going to be about the First One. Well they didn't and I'm thinking that if they did, it would reveal too much info that is being discussed in the OP of The Future 7/7.

intell wrote:

I don't know if anyone remembers that Larry and Andy were talking about releasing some more Animatrix episodes, one of which, was going to be about the First One.

What are you talking about? Link to this please...