»where is neo's family?«

are they died?

somebody please give me information

I've asked that question too. The only answer I could present is that people are "adopted" in the Matrix. Though a mother may undergo an artificial pregnancy with-in the simulated world of the Matrix, the baby that is born to her is just one assigned from the fields, and not really hers.

This is why nobody in the films not born in Zion is shown to have any familial connections. They all grew up with parents who weren't their's living lives that were just dreams.

"Are they died?"....Sorry, have to laugh.

As for your question, I don't think anybody knows - apart from those Wachowski cunts of coarse. If I had to guess, I'd say he just lost contact with them. He probably moved away, thats partly why he became a low life.

You will find that neo doesnt like to be controlled, Or told what to do.
Being a hacker he has an abrasive personality while he is in the matrix...
Which makes him the black sheep.

I think that says enough

People in the Matrix definitely have familes. At first that was a little ambiguous but Animatrix cleared all of that up (see Kid's Story and Beyond--you'll find parents with children in both). Furthermore, in Architect's chamber we see Neo as a child in his monitors when he talks about "your life". For all intents and purposes though Neo no longer has a family. When people see the fields it's obvious that your "family" has either been assigned to you or you are the product of artificial insemination. It would appear that those who leave the Matrix choose to divorce themselves from their old lives (except in cases like Cypher's who choose to return to their old lives).

Evolusionary wrote:

... (except in cases like Cypher's who choose to return to their old lives).

But even Cypher is detached from his family. He says he wants to remember, "Nothing ... Nothing," and that he wants to be somebody famous, like an actor. Since we're lead to believe he was probably a hacker before, I take all this to mean that he does not want his life in Zion, nor does he want to return to the life he lead before. He wants a new lottery ticket life, maybe a trophy wife, but he doesn't say, "I want to be able to see my mom again."

I think it comes to most even before seeing the fields. Because the Kid has his mom, but there's no real interaction or connection between them. They seem very distant from each other. "It's lonely in my world, too." I think that on that subliminal level, everyone in the Matrix knows that their family is not theirs. Especially those who are predisposed to eventually rejecting the simulation.

Even though the Matrix is not real the people and their lives and families are real.

In order to have ONE reality ONE World the humans choose their spouse and make their own decisions exept for leaving the Matrix.

Lets say Adam meets Eve at a night club that he decided to go to and he meets Eve and fall in love and get married and the Matrix system know that Adam and Eve had virtual sex so the computer desides the probability of a successful pregnancy and takes the semen from Adam and the egg from Eve and start growing a child that it is theirs.

Exactly matching parent to child seems like an overly complex system just to maintain what is largely considered a human relationship (that of parent and child). Sati is both an exception to this rule, and the exception that proves the rule because the other machines are hostile towards her useless purpose of simply being a child produced by loving parents.

It seems more probable that infants are randomly assigned to parents based on some general guidelines towards matching ethnicity.

You're very correct Capt that Cypher didn't just want to return to his old life. I always took the "I want to remember nothing" line to mean that he didn't want to have any memory of the cold, hard life in ZIon nor the fact that he had to murder his friends. I also considered the fact that Cypher was a bit more cosmopolitan than the others. He wears earrings, he meets Agent Smith at a posh restaurant. This guy is eager and ready for the good life. He was sick of "the truth" being that he is poor, dirty and lives in a cave. He saw a way to payback Morpheus, and cash in all at the same time. He's made a choice. If it's going to be a dream it might as well be a great one.

However at some point he will be a total weirdo if he has no parents whatsoever. Invariably, (and this is a point never touched on in the movies--since the point was always where you're going and not where you've been) you would think these people would meet someone in their former lives that they knew. Because Neo doesn't return to work the next day we do not know how being marched out of his job in handcuffs turned out. Did they simply wipe the memory of every person in the building as well as every person walking by that day? Possible. Is this what they would have done to Cypher to keep him from asking too many questions about his own past? After all, it was asking too many questions that led to his rejection of the Matrix the first time around. You would either have to have people who escape the Matrix be erased from existence, erased from everyone's memory who ever knew them, or you would have to come up with an explaination that justifies how this person's life makes sense juxtaposed against all these factors.

People go missing every day with no explination. I think the Matrix is a cold and distant world for everyone in it. Just as is said at the end of Kid's Story.

Also, they buried the Kid. Of course, he was a unique case because he self ejected, but is it possible that your original RSI is left behind the first time you red pill? To most people it would look like exactly what was mentioned on another thread. Thomas Anderson went out with some low life friends, met up with some even worse people, and o.d.'d in a scuzy building ... its only Neo that lived through the experience just as the Kid survives Michael Popper's demise.

You may be right. I had never considered that Kid's RSI remained behind after he was recovered from the Matrix. Just as when Switch and Apoc were killed they didn't just disappear like in a video game. This could lead to all kinds of interesting things. This is a groundbreaking point you've made here Capt. Are you aware of the ramifications of this? If your body can survive being seperated from the RSI then is it possible that your mind in your RSI can survive being seperated from your body? This could very well mean Neo is still "alive" somewhere in the Matrix. His body is dead in the real world just as Kid's was dead in the Matrix. This could lead to all kinds of possibilities.

CaptPostMod wrote:

Exactly matching parent to child seems like an overly complex system just to maintain what is largely considered a human relationship (that of parent and child). Sati is both an exception to this rule, and the exception that proves the rule because the other machines are hostile towards her useless purpose of simply being a child produced by loving parents. It seems more probable that infants are randomly assigned to parents based on some general guidelines towards matching ethnicity.

It is a very simple and Intelligent System.
You can not randomly choose a baby for a couple what is they get a kid from another race.

Why have the computer try to figure out the humans reality why not have the humans create their own reality.

The humans are already wired to the system and cataloged.
The humans have hoses coming in and out of every part of there body.
The computers know when the humans are having sex and when the male ejaculates it goes to the farm to be grown with the partners egg.

This makes for a perfect crop because the humans will care for the baby by giving that baby love.

Why ruin a crop by making things random.

Why add something that would make humans think wait a minute something does not seem right here the kid does not look like me. The kid has stange mannerisms is my wife cheating on me? they get a divorce and ruin a crop.

Evolusionary wrote:

This could very well mean Neo is still "alive" somewhere in the Matrix. His body is dead in the real world just as Kid's was dead in the Matrix. This could lead to all kinds of possibilities.

Precisely! And this is very much what I think the truth to be (that Neo's mind lives on in the Matrix though his human body has passed).

Sounds very interesting, though I have to say, I find it hard to believe.

'The body cannot live without the mind'

I think that the body - as in the part of the Code that says this person exists remains in the matrix, though there is no longer a mind to control it.

This is why we see people who have died in the matrix remain as bodies, as they exist within the code. Also remembetr that we dont acually see Neo's body in the crater at the end of Super Burly, and the only time we see this dissapearence is when jacking out of the matrix.

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The humans are already wired to the system and cataloged. The humans have hoses coming in and out of every part of there body. The computers know when the humans are having sex and when the male ejaculates it goes to the farm to be grown with the partners egg.

I can see this being concievable, but not probable. If we can have a whole world pulled over our eyes, then surely we can have children assigned to us without anything appearing dodgy. Of course, a baby being black or white in the real world doesnt neccecerily mean for a black/white baby in the matrix...

Crisis Four wrote:

This is why we see people who have died in the matrix remain as bodies, as they exist within the code. Also remembetr that we dont acually see Neo's body in the crater at the end of Super Burly, and the only time we see this dissapearence is when jacking out of the matrix.

But we do have evidence that when someone dies in the Matrix their RSI remains. If Neo's RSI is not present at the end of M3, then following your logic, his body has not died either, he's merely jacked out. (Which is a possibility.) What reasons would the machines have for jacking him out and returning him back to his human body though?

Yes, this is something I have considered. To answer your question; What reason do they have to let him die, considering the fact that there is now peace.

In other words, why let him die knowing that he will live if Jacked out (the peacefull answer)

I dont want to ignite any Neo is dead/alive war, but its a possibility..

Crisis Four wrote:

Quote: The humans are already wired to the system and cataloged. The humans have hoses coming in and out of every part of there body. The computers know when the humans are having sex and when the male ejaculates it goes to the farm to be grown with the partners egg. I can see this being concievable, but not probable. If we can have a whole world pulled over our eyes, then surely we can have children assigned to us without anything appearing dodgy. Of course, a baby being black or white in the real world doesnt neccecerily mean for a black/white baby in the matrix...

You notice how everyones facial features are the same in the Matrix as in the Real world.

the "whole world pulled over our eyes" is that they are not in the real world but in a pod.

Why would the robots take semen and eggs from other people when they can get it from the ones having sex.

You have to prove to me why it is not probable.

Well, why go through all that effort, when they can simply store vast amounts within sperm banks etc in order to grow more crops.

And what if you fall in love with some one who (while close to you in the Matrix) is located in a pod far away from you? Then the machines would have to harvest the reproductive cells, transport them (which may be difficult if the pods are very far away), and then combine them. That's a lot of work!

And as Morpheus says--"... humans are not born -- they are grown"

What difference does it really make which one they did in the larger purpose of explaining the matrix?

PS. The whole thing is alot of work.

yea maybe Neo wasnt even born he just appeared in his computer chair.

People look very much like their RSI. I would assume that there is family resemblance within the Matrix. It would be easy for the machines to simply take eggs and sperm of two people who are having a baby in the matrix and grow their baby in the farm.

Crisis Four wrote:

Well, why go through all that effort, when they can simply store vast amounts within sperm banks etc in order to grow more crops.

Apparently the simulation has to be done right in order to be believable and not lose any crops.

To me random and mass produced humans would not be believable and the program would not be accepted.

What about inbreeding?

All the pods are cataloged the computers know who is who

The humans are already wired with feeding and disposal lines and could have semen and egg transport network to the farm.

It is not complicated or allot of effort to do this

This is how I would build it.
I believe that random growing would not work.

I agree.

First and foremost, the ORIGINAL topic of this discussion board was the existence or non-existence of Thomas Anderson's parents correct? Although we the viewers never "see" him interacting with his parents, whether as an adult, or on any of the screens in the architects choice chamber at the latter minutes of Reloaded. However, Thomas Anderson did officially "have parents" on paper, litterally. In the interrogation room scene at the early parts of Matrix 1, if you look VERY closely at the files of Agent Smith's folder, you can see MOST of Thomas Anderson's file. The file says the following:

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Personal Details:
Name: Thomas A Anderson
Date of Birth: 11 March, 1962
Place of Birth: Lower Downtown, Capital City, FU, USA

Mother's Maiden Name: Michelle McGahey
Father's Name: John Anderson
Marital Status: Single

Education Record:
Schools Attended: Central West Junior High
School Owen Paterson High

High School Record:
Anderson excelled in the science, mathematics, and computer courses.(from here it becomes too blurry on my screen to read)
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In not completely sure if I read the place if birth as "FU" correctly. And perhaps other people with plasma or high definition screen could see the info better. But, this is what I saw. I should add that on the page Smith flips there is a photo of two people, a man and a woman, I've always assumed these people were Thomas' parents becuase of the apparent age of the photo. Interestingly enough, the "hard" contents of the file (hard contents meaning paper rather than digital then put in quotes becuase the entire room is digital ) is viewed by Smith here in front of Neo, but the same information is being viewed on a computer by Trinity in room 303 of the Heart o' the city Hotel in the beginning of the movie. Once again, look closely. These sort of things you pick up on after viewing the movie over 300 times, you all know what I mean.

But once again, I reiterate that my presence in this thread is merely to feed the arguements facts as I always have and to reserve my personal opinion. So to recap, Thomas Anderson's FILE said he had parents of said name, complete with possible photographs of them. He had a place and date of birth ON FILE. This could mean there were implanted memories, or they really happened, both can be argued with these same facts. I am not the kind of guy who will sit here and argue whether or not the small child at the end of second renaissance part II is Thomas Anderson as a toddler, I leave that to others who shall remain unidentified and hopefully unheard.